Need help, series 60

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  1. Romans612

    Romans612 Light Load Member

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    I work with a great company. But like all companies, they aren't perfect. My biggest issue is the shop. And because I can't get them to be helpful, I turn to you, my brothers and sisters.

    Truck specs:
    2007 FL Columbia DD Series 60
    Currently 731,000 miles (overhead performed at 700,000)


    I have run this truck for over a year, am making the payments on it, and pay it off in August of this year. I have typically maintained 6.5 - 7 mpg under full load, give or take mountain driving. (bobtail I used to get 10 mpg)


    Over the last few months my fuel mileage has dropped. Now I am lucky to 6.5 bobtail, and avg 5.8 on a full load.


    My tractor feels like it is gasping for air at times (becoming more regular), have seen a drop in the pulling power, and now the poor fuel mileage.


    I have taken it to my companies shops and have asked for ECM downloads, EGR tests, and requested they clean the EGR tubes. They have not cleaned the tubes, and the tractor doesn't throw up any codes,. So according to the shop, I'm either crazy, or a pest.


    My fuel mileage continues to drop, have lost a lot of pulling power and as I stated before, when accelerating, it sputters.


    Does anyone have any advice or thoughts on what I can do or look for? I keep thinking the EGR tubes, but can't get the flipping shop to clean them!


    (guaranteed maintainance)
     
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  3. whats in a name?

    whats in a name? Bobtail Member

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    if your problems started after running the top end, my guess is that they didnt get the lock nuts tight and your top end is all out of wack. I would have the valves and injectors re adjusted. also detroit recommends that the jake system be adjusted when the engine is cold.
     
  4. Bent Wrench

    Bent Wrench Medium Load Member

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    Possibly air in fuel?

    Or maybe the turbo is giving up, do you have a boost gauge?
     
  5. Romans612

    Romans612 Light Load Member

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    Had the turbo and the egr checked multiple times. Both are working properly. At least that's what I'm told. Had the fuel system looked over too.

    Bad fuel mileage started about six weeks after I had the overhead done. Over the last few days I have averaged about 5.7 mpg. It seems to be holding steady there. So maybe it is a bad tune on the valves. :-/

    But six weeks after???
     
  6. slowpoke7759

    slowpoke7759 Bobtail Member

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    Have you had the 02 sensor checked as well.
    A bad and stopped up catalyct converter and/or plugged air filters will make the mileage go down as well.
    A leaking injector could be a issue.
    The ECU could still have codes in it, making the engine run in a closed loop or be bad.
    Often over looked is the water temperture not getting to operating temp and/or bad sensor or not enough coolant.
    Timing could be a problem to. Bad overhead adjustments.
    Vacuum leaks, ie intake manifold or craks in the inter cooler (in front of radiator), bearings in the turbo galling up( running slower than OEM).
    A possible crack in exhaust manifold and/or studs.
    Hope some of this is useful. You never know anymore, just because parts are new, does not make them good. Good Luck.
     
  7. Romans612

    Romans612 Light Load Member

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    So which among these would NOT cause a code to be thrown up?
     
  8. slowpoke7759

    slowpoke7759 Bobtail Member

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    A bad ECM and/or sensor(s). Not getting the signal to the ECM. Could Be as simple as a Bad Ground or connection or wire. Most of that fine sensor wiring underhood gets a lot of hot and cold cycles on them. Hpoe it helps and good luck
     
  9. Romans612

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    As if it wasnt confusing enough, my mpg dropped to below five, but I got better mpg driving seventy than I did sixty. I'm starting to see smoke from my stack (when the sun allows for shadows) and just recently my dog started static shocking me....

    Also, the sputtering is getting more and more common.
     
  10. slowpoke7759

    slowpoke7759 Bobtail Member

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    From what you describe, gasping for air indicates that engine is not getting enough air. Smoke in the shadows points to that as well. You need to check the fresh air side of the engine real close for issues. The miles on tractor and your shops attitude sounds like they are just humoring you till this tractor becomes your problem, instead of theirs.(still making payments).
    But the issue described points to the air to air exchanger in front of the radiator. There are a lot of tubes in that exchanger some of which could be cracked, broke or stopped up and you are losing the tubo boost through the exchanger. That part needs to be pressure checked. If you can find a way to restrict the air flow into you intake manifold from the exchanger, with engine at 1/4-1/2 throttle, take spray bottle of a very soapy solution and spray the exchanger with the hood up so you can see clearly, the rows of tubes, any bubbles at all indicates a bad exchanger.
    But you also said problems started after the overhead was done, by your company shop. If it was not done correctly, this is more than likely where your problem is at. You may have to go to an outside shop(dealer) and have the overhead run on it again as well as the other issues in your post. Let them tell you wether it is out of wack or not.(documentation) They also can pressure check your exchanger if there are no problems with the overhead.
    The EGR tubes could be an issue as well, if the engine is starting to burn a lot of oil, your post did not say.
    A (dealer) can also tell you when the recommended IN FRAME OVERHAUL IS DUE, (with a phone call) your tractor is approaching 3/4 of a million miles or more on it. In the old days a tractor had a inframe overhaul about 5-600k miles and the issue descriptions in your post, describes an engine, close to being worn out and your SHOP will not tell you that, for obvivous reasons.
    The documentation will be useful if you have to take it up with the company you are buying the tractor from. These late model tractors are very complex nowadays and little things with them seem to matter a lot.
    I really do hope some of what I have said here is useful to you. Best Wishes.
     
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  11. Romans612

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    after much repeated talking to the shop, I think I finally got it fixed.

    a month ago I took hometime and put the truck in the shop. talked tov numerous shop supervisors and upper management.

    when I got back, I was told it was fixed and when I asked what it was, I was told the "v-pod" which from what I am told assists the air actuator in the turbo. This was the first time it sounded plausible.

    over the last month I have keep an eye on the mileage and it has jumped (very close to what it once was). it is back to the 6.5 mpg mark. and finally started getting 7.5 mpg empty again.
     
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