is a pretrip inspection required ...

I don't know, maybe because the regs say end of day.

Finding something at the end of a day when it can be fixed before driving again makes more sense than discovering it before a shift and needing to waste a half day getting it repaired.

A proper post trip ensures that only a quick peek before driving, or a pre-trip, is required to verify repairs and begin your day.

No matter how much attention you pay while driving things can break, or be ready to. Allowing them to go unnoticed till before being ready to start the next shift is nuts.

 

WRONG, you only have to flag a pretrip or the amount of time that you took. The post trip is the only one required by law!

 

Have you read the entire thread? This thing has been hashed over so many times it isnt even funny. Read the regs again and especially the stuff posted by lostnfound

 

yes Ishoud of said post trip is the only one required to show time for. of course i assume most people can read the rules posted in the log books.

 

If that's the case every driver in my company is not in compliance as we do not even have the option to show time for a post trip inspection on our e-logs, only pre trip.

Honestly I think as long as Dot sees time for an inspection somewhere on your log every day they really don't care when it is.

 

After 10 hours of sitting, a tire might have gone flat or something. Or who knows if light decided to go south. Anytime on duty inspecting the truck before taking off must be logged as such. Now heres the deal, if you went over the truck real good before and only need to do a quick tire check and light check then you can flag the inspection and not burn up a full 15 on your 14.

 

Like I said before, read lost n founds posts in this thread and you will find out that is incorrect. You dont have to show a time for either/or

 

This is one of the things that the CDL school I went to had wrong. They instruct that you must do a pre-trip, AND show 15 mins at the beginning. So when I started driving, the company policy is, "We don't care if you show a pre-trip, you can flag it if you want to, but you must show a post-trip, 15 mins at the end.

I've always wanted to error on the side of caution, so was showing 15 on both ends. Well boss called me in on this, and told me to just flag the pre-trip. (Now keep in mind the CDL school drilled into my head I must show this on Line-4, and never, ever would show or instruct on Flagging. So I asked and was finally told what flagging really is.

So my company policy is that I must show at least a 15 min post-trip, and may flag a pre-trip, <15 mins.

I'm required to use the Loose-Leaf DDL provided by the company. The DVIR is on the back side. It has blanks for Times (am and pm), and one for odometer. I was confused enough, and wanted to make sure I was getting my bases covered, so I would log the times (both Pre and Post), and my ending odometer (post-trip).

How would one comply with the reg requiring the DVIR or the DDL be submitted at the end of each day, when most of the time you're not around any means to do so? Parked in front of a grain elevator in the middle of BFE, or a mom-pop wanna-be TS? Our common practice is to turn all the paperwork in at the end of the week.

 

Unless there is something requiring attention to safely move the vehicle on the next shift you have 13 days to turn it in.

 

You should only have to enter the times of the post trip . That's the one that requires a written report . There is a requirement to prepare the report every day , not to turn it in . http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=396.11 However , if a defect is found the carrier or it's agent has to make repair or sign it off as being unnecessary