Replaced Every Part, Still, Random High SWR

Discussion in 'CB Radio Forum' started by madmoneymike5, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. madmoneymike5

    madmoneymike5 Medium Load Member

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    Good day all.

    I'm about as frustrated as I can be over my CB radio situation. I've replaced every part in the CB setup: antennas, wiring, radio itself, microphone, and even the truck! But no matter what, I still get high SWR *most* of the time.

    So, here's the story from the beginning.

    Being a poor SOB, my brother loaned me his old Uniden PC78XL. It's over 8 years old, been through a house fire, sat out in the hot and cold and humidity of a barn, etc. But it still would turn on and would transmit. At the time he gave it to me, I knew nothing about CB radios--I barely knew how to hook it up.

    When I would transmit, the "ANT" red light would light up. So, I took it to a CB shop where an older gentleman taught me the basics of CBs. He taught me what kind of coax to get for single and dual setups, what kind of antennas to get, how to calibrate it, etc. He did not peak and tune it as he said it didn't need it; he hooked it up to his meters and calibrated it and got great readings on SWR and power output. He said my problem was the wiring and the antenna and that my radio worked "like new." He told me to go downstairs to the TA and buy a Francis antenna kit; it included 18' of the right type of coax and a mirror mount. (At the time, I was in an '08 Volvo 670 using aftermarket coax 59 on dual stock-quality antennas given out for free by my company's shop.)

    I did as he suggested but couldn't install them until later. When I did and finished calibrating, I got a good SWR reading of LESS than 1. But only for five minutes or so. Then, it went right back to the same problem I had before: ANT light would light up.

    I tried changing the microphone. That didn't help. Took it back.

    I then changed trucks (for unrelated reasons), several times. I've been in 3 other trucks since then, and no matter the setup (my Francis kit or stock wiring/antennas), I get the same problem: Most of the time, SWR is up around 3. Occasionally, and without me doing anything to change the setup--not even recalibrating, it will give me less than one on SWR. But only for a very short time before it goes back up. When it is up above 1, it is always around 3 and never lower or higher; it goes right back to the same spot every time.

    Now in an '09 Kenworth T2000 (might be an '08), I still had the problem. So, I figured I had eliminated all other possibilities--it had to be the radio. I'd been in three different trucks, each with different wiring and antennas, each time trying out my Francis kit, and I had even tried a new microphone.

    I did my research and decided I'd replace the Uniden with a Cobra 29 LX. Just before going in to buy it, I recalibrated the Uniden just for kicks. It gave me a good SWR at less than .5!! Almost like pleading with me, "No, Michael! Please! Please don't replace me! I'm still a good radio!"

    I sighed, stiffened up, and went in and laid my $130 on the table for the Cobra. After a half hour of uninstalling the Uniden and hooking up the Cobra (to stock antenna and wiring just like the Uniden had been hooked to), I calibrated, did the radio's radio check feature, etc. All was well for the entire night.

    This morning, I turn it back on (who wants to listen to truck stop chatter when sleeping?) and guess what? It's giving me an "Antenna Warning!" indication when I transmit (I assume the same as the ANT light on the Uniden), and the SWR is back up to 3!!!

    I'm so frustrated. What in the hell am I doing wrong? I've process-of-elimination-ed everything! Wires, antennas, radio, microphone. What else is there? Why would TWO different radios be giving me the same problems of random high SWR readings even when I've done nothing to change it from when it was low? Why would it then change back to low readings ALSO without me changing anything?
     
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  3. AB7IF

    AB7IF Light Load Member

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    You need to have a tech look at it. As to "Why would it then change back to low readings ALSO without me changing anything?", this could be an intermittent connection. You could between setups be consistently putting the mirror mount stud together wrong. Nothing but the stud underneath. On top plastic washer first, then any washers and the nut the antenna screws into. I have seen these assembled wrong in their new packages and I have seen people think this is correct and from then on assembling it wrong. Without a close inspection no one can help via online other than guess until you get it right. This is why an experienced eye is useful.
     
  4. AB7IF

    AB7IF Light Load Member

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    "So - worring about if your radio puts out 5 watts or 4 watts or paying someone money to peek and tune your radio so it puts out say 12 watts - doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the long run.
    All it really does is wear out the radio sooner."

    20 million drivers are wondering if you have lost your IQ. I think, therefore I am. However, you are not.
     
  5. Happy_Hamer

    Happy_Hamer Light Load Member

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    I agree with the mount problem, I see the nylon washers installed wrong all the time, or loose.

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  6. Thpbltblt

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    I'm inclined to agree with the earlier possible diagnosis that you're checking your SWR under optimal conditions, such as being well away from any buildings, trees, power lines, and other vehicles. As stated, when you get near other objects, the radio waves bounce back and would cause observed SWR to be higher. So if no one was parked near you last night while using your CB, you'd have no problem. But if you woke up and were suddenly surrounded, that might be your issue.

    But I'm curious, what SWR meter are you using? The one built into the radio? I'm far from being an expert, but from what I've read in other posts, many people don't believe the SWR meters built into CBs are accurate or reliable. If this is the case, I'd look into picking up a separate meter and a short length of coax to use as a jumper to install the meter in line to double check yourself.
     
  7. Happy_Hamer

    Happy_Hamer Light Load Member

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    AGREED, your doors should be closed as well, eliminate the easy stuff first.

     
  8. Rat

    Rat Road Train Member

    For a few years, I fought changing swr issues. I finally gave up and walked into the truck stop, purchased a single phased coax and eliminated 1 of the antennas from the system.

    Now I have a small dead spot in my transmission pattern due to the trailer but it is mostly only short range. Meaning less then 1/4 mile. Kind of like a blind spot that you get from mirrors etc.

    Been running single phased now for a little over 6 months and no issues with changing swr.
     
  9. Rat

    Rat Road Train Member

    Funny, with out my 450 in the loop my 29 would hit guys at about 5 or 6 from 15 miles away. I flip on the 450 and it buries their needles in their radios.

    Talk about line of sight. LOL On 100 watts I have talked to a guy that was 30 miles away. There was a big hill between us and he was in the bottom of a gravel pit.


    So guys, don't listen to this channel jumper fool. he is just a resident troll that comes in here once every few months to stir the pot.
     
    flightwatch Thanks this.
  10. mike5511

    mike5511 Road Train Member

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    And your explaining this to who???????
     
  11. AB7IF

    AB7IF Light Load Member

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    "Let me explain this to you - so you can understand."

    When the blind lead the blind both fall in the ditch. Or better still, a fool is known by a multitude of words. There is nothing you can teach me since I have forgotten more than you will ever know. If you had one hundredth of the smarts you try to impress people with you would have known radio waves at Hf and lower frequencies actually bend around the earth meaning CB is not limited to line of sight. This bending is less than the first possible hop from skip based upon the radiation angle. You spew so many useless words you should be sending money to the site owners to offset some of the server space cost you endlessly waste spewing your babble. I am quite frankly amazed they allow the internet in rubber rooms.

    I get the feeling you will next be telling us CB will not go far because of all the little gnomes catching the waves.
     

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