CREngland - The driver factory

Discussion in 'CR England' started by driversunited, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. driversunited

    driversunited Bobtail Member

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    Driving for CREngland's horrible but if you don't have a cdl with 6mo/1year over the road (OTR) experience including winter driving months "you will not be hired by anyone.":biggrin_25510: So you must pay your dues.

    CREngland is a start and is intended to mass produce drivers. They'll use you as long as they can, but at the first issue they'll spit you out quickly. They have hundreds of drivers dreaming like you were and waiting in line to take your place.

    They don't need Company Drivers. Come on, they hand pick who they want and force feed you the infamous Lease-Plan by Horrizon. You may actually get hired to work for them but you'll not last. Sorry!
    The've mastered (the make believe):biggrin_25513: "Independent Contractor" (I/O)where you're leased a late model Cascadia $525 p/week and $1.25 per gallon if you followed their optimizing criteria and so on. BUT their Settlement Sheets were design to confuse and screw every one. Needless to say YOU WILL NOT MAKE ANY MONEY ..or as they say in class "The Big Bucks." Don't forget, CREngland is intended to MASS PRODUCE DRIVERS to cheeply move their freight across the country and beat the competition.:biggrin_2559: They're not meant to keep good drivers and/or promote them because they already have too many and a non stopping factory. However, you'll hear rare situations where people have driven foro CRE for a long time. Go find them and ask them...!

    CREngland notorious "VARIABLE MILES" at a rate of .14 cts per mile will sure get your atention and bleeds you until the end. It is unknown where this deduction goes. It does add up in the $1000's but the driver never sees it. It's easy to justify deductions like your Truck Payment, Truck Insurance, Liability, and Scrow which by the way....until they were suit by OIDA on behalf of Independent Contractors, CREngland was keeping it for themselfs. However, VARIABLE MILES-What is that?:biggrin_25523: This is a SCAM!

    CREngland set up this "VARIBLE MILES" scam in a way that even EQUINOX avoided to mention whether it would be an added "Expense - or - Salary" at the time to do your Taxes. I'm not kidding. It's a SCAM and CREngland still runs it like the best.

    The DOT, Dept of Labor, EEOC, Insurance Commission and every other government agency MUST look the other way in Uthah, Indiana and Washington so dont even waste your time. They've got it going on and you cant do anything about it. " It is what it is"

    My advise. Use CREngland to learn how to drive and get good at it. You get exposeed to a lot of different situations which are very helpful. Forget about making money with CREngland because you'll not. Forget about dedicated routes they mention because they only work in specific situations. Experience driving the U.S. like a trucker. Get on the road OTR that is for a year. Tough it out with a lease truck but only a 6 month option so if you find something better you simply scram out of there. Take good care of it, check oil, tires, dont beat on it so you get moneys back when you return it which is yours but only if the vehicle is ok.

    Put up with your instructors and even become one if you can. Follow the rules of the road and avoid accidents and tickets. Be wise. Be nice to Horrizon folks, you Driver Manager, Mechanics and Student Coordinator until the day you can get the hell out of there. Be smart, learn, drive but not for CREngland. That's modern time slavery. The Mormon Maffia at the finnest moments.
     
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2012
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  3. ThePikey

    ThePikey Light Load Member

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    Those settlement sheets... I've been reviewing my GFs settlements, and they make no sense. The clearest things on those sheet's are the zeros that indicate the check amount, and the ever growing negative number that indicates how far in the hole she is going.

    I'm a fairly smart guy; I should be able to figure out a document of that nature. The settlement sheets seem intentionally vague, to me.
     
  4. RedDirtDriver

    RedDirtDriver Light Load Member

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    I have been reading things on message boards and consumer sites about CRE for years. I almost want to check them out myself just to see what they're all about, kind of like some type of trucker participatory journalism project. It is A M A Z I N G about all of the information that can be found out about them on the web, news, etc.
     
  5. grenade668

    grenade668 The Mack Dog

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    How are you all doing,

    I went to C R E back in Jan and let me tell you all straight up don't waste your time!!!!

    I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ALL THE WARNINGS ON THE INTERNET!!!!!

    I WAS STUPID AND DESPERATE!!!

    I know a lot of people will want to start a pissing match over what I'm going to say and if you do so be it I don't care if you take to heart what I'm telling you or not but if you have any sense at all you better Listen and HEED what I tell you!!!!

    I have had my Class A since 1998 I was checked out and called by a recruiter who went by the name of Randy Chapel he told me up front I would have to take a refresher course because of Lack of experience I found it odd but I didn't argue I need a job so I agreed he then told me you will have to run Team (I don't like running Team) but again I need a job so I agreed I told him up front I wanted to be a company driver He AGREED!!!!!

    Moving on let me say this and I know better now but I should have done more Research but I was too anxious to get a job and get making money so I can pay my bills and take care of my wife and 2 boys and moving on.

    I was told everything looks good you are good to go was told I would be required to pay a admin fee of $50.00 I found that odd but okay I need a job so I get my bus ticket and endure 2 days and 1 night on the greyhound (HARDLY any SLEEP) I'm so tired can't see clearly everything is fuzzy and blurry, I get to Gary IN to attend Burns Harbor and I'm thinking lets get to the motel get a shower and some sleep wrong they picked us up took us to the terminal and started the paper work and D O T physical and drug test now let me remind you I'm so tired I can't see straight and hungry that being said I barely passed the eye test,then we did a stress test a shuffle under the trailer test then back in for the drug test by the time all this was done by the time we got to the motel it was 2300 hours we had to be back up 0500 to be ready to get back to the school to start orientation and the refresher I was labeled as a SR and yes as tired as I was and still tired they were like we got good news you have passed everything up to this point I thought woo pi do but I needed a job!!!

    Now for the great orientation class the instructor went so fast you couldn't learn or get anything all of us in the class was teaching ourselves if you were lost he didn't care if you raised your hand he would ignore you,we all learned from each other and that is how we passed the class.I passed the class with a 91% and we were allowed to look for the answers so in a nutshell what was the $50.00 for this was a joke!! but I needed a job!!!
    I also want to add I have been a truck driver soon to be 12 years all Local very little O T R and I didn't have that much of a gap in my employment but was still told you have to do a refresher to get in?

    Truth I'm leaving for Piston PA to attend orientation with Prime and they are a good company (no pissing match please) I will be going through 3 days orientation then out with a trainer no refresher required!!!! if anyone wants this nice lady recruiters number look at my posts in Prime driver thread in my Favorite Trucking Company Forums!!!

    Now the Driving range back to C R E well right from the start I was criticized I had bad habits I was told you can't float gears in these new trucks I was like this is a Eaton Fuller 10 speed Trans you can Float it saves on the clutch, it saves on Fuel,it saves on Brakes, I proved the instructor wrong I Floated a 2010 Cascadia and he told me it couldn't be done.then it was well you are going to do it the England way? wrong other drivers that were in training told me the trainer told them to Float.

    Now the Backing we were split into groups of 12 we had no one there to say this is the right way we were teaching ourselves to back up then we had a snow storm the instructor takes us to a parking lot that simulated a rest area parking lot there was snow covering the lines couldn't see to do the offline back but yet he passed all of us?

    I will add this all the way through this ordeal they kept trying to get us to LEASE a Truck many caved in they were hired on the spot training stopped they got a truck went home hooked to a load those of us that refused they found reasons to send you home.I had 2 days to go to go out with a trainer, I was out with my group we were practicing and a instructor came and said they want you up in the office? my response was why she wouldn't tell me? I get up there the admin is like what are you doing here? I told him I don't have a clue I was told someone wanted to talk to me,he told me to have a seat.I'm sitting there wondering to myself what is going on dumb founded.

    Now the Finale I'm sitting there and this fat security guard walks in he says are you Mackdog I said yes he went on to say you Jack knifed a Tractor-Trailer I was like no sir and he then told me I was being disqualified so then I called the recruiter he told me he couldn't do a thing about it I asked again after sitting in the greyhound bus station for 2 hours begging them for a bus ticket home the recruiter got very nasty and said your lucky to get the bus ticket home.

    I will say this if you want to go out there be my guest the motels are dumps I will say the Travel Inn is like night and day compared to the hometown lodge they don't feed you at all you pay your way all the way while you are there they set up traps for you they have strip bars at both of the motels they own the motels and the strip bars along with a restaurant called shenanigans if you are caught in any of these you are disqualified bottom line this place is the Pitts heed the warnings listen to others who have said the same things stay away from this company.!!!!

    Truth I had a Backing Accident I was up front didn't lie (that is stupid to lie they will find out!!!!)
    Truth I have my driving record and Dac Report all that is on there is a backing accident.
    Truth my recruiter at Prime said that what they did to me was strange and all the safety Dept found was what I told them!!!!!

    I have been a trucker for almost 12 years if you lie you don't have a job!!!!

    I leave you with this believe what you want I know whats true and no pissing match please Thank you!!!!
     
  6. MysticHZ

    MysticHZ Road Train Member

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    CRE has two main problems ... first the focus on leasing. It sets up too many folks, who do not have a basic understanding of business and puts them in business ... they are destined to fail.

    As exhibt number one, thier settlement sheet. Sorry guys, it is a very basic and simple settlement statement. It's biggest glaring issue is that it does not provide enough detail. If you can't understand it, you do not have the where withall to be successful in any business, much less a CRE lease.

    Second, the variable milage. No secret here. It's sole purpose is to force one into teaming or training. CREs core business is moving time sensitive and perishable product. As such they need to run teams. Where CRE is neferious, is they don't come out and focus thier recruiting and management accordingly. Instead they set up a cattle prod scenerio that forces you in that direction.

    If you have some basic business acum and want to team - husband/wife. Or if you want to train, actually train, not just use a student as a cheap second seat. Then you can do do alright at CRE. But if your desire is anything else, CRE will chew you up and spit you out.
     
  7. driversunited

    driversunited Bobtail Member

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    Every New Graduate Lasts About Ninety Days
     
  8. RedDirtDriver

    RedDirtDriver Light Load Member

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    Excellent post and explanation in a few paragraphs. They should put MysticHZ's post at the front of CRE's Company DAC Report on TTR.
     
    Last edited: Feb 28, 2012
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  9. BaldUgly1

    BaldUgly1 Bobtail Member

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    I was a lease operator for CR England. I was because I wanted to be, but I ended up loosing my ### anyway. If you were a lease operator for CR England, and you lost money or are loosing money... check out this law suit. I called and got added in the suit. If you want the link, message me and Ill get it to you... If you are still driving... you may want to rethink your options before you go under.
     
  10. SHOJim

    SHOJim Road Train Member

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    CRE.."The mormon mafia"...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  11. russellkanning

    russellkanning Medium Load Member

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    they set traps for you like the strip clubs?
     
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