Brake Problem?
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by WCM, Feb 28, 2012.
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Bob Tailing should be the worst braking. If bob tailing is ok, then the trucks systems must be ok. I'm guessing there is an air problem on the trailer. Since you said they are different trailers, could it be your airlines on the cab leading to the trailer? To give a more scientific analysis, try the pull test with no trailer, then try with just trailer parking brakes on and then just cab. If it fails on either of those you might be able to narrow it down. It might be bad airlines on the tractor but you only notice it when they are used when you supply air to trailer. Also could be a airline getting pinched, but only when the suspension is weighted down. Also your truck brakes might be fine, but they are not triggering the trailer brakes for one reason or another. Try a pull test with the trailer hand valve. If it passes try to pull forward (low gear hard) with service breaks lightly applied. With an empty trailer it should lock all the wheels except the drive wheels which over come the braking power. If your trailer wheels roll instead of drag half a foot your trailer brakes a'rnt working right.
My guess is your airline from the truck is not telling the trailer brakes to come on. Your experiencing poor braking because your trying to stop the load with no trailer brakes and are over working the tractor brakes. It could be something wrong with the actuator in the petal or something wrong with the air system going back to the trailer.
In any case, your brakes on the tractor must not be damaged or miss aligned that bad if you can stop bob tailing. I think its something else. -
what does your air gauge read and what temp does this happen at , i be looking at the trl then the tractor, i moved alot of trls around by just hooking up one air line , might too try that and narrow the leak down by doing that , but dont go on the street that way, just a drive around yard will tell you if you got a problem, are the trl air tanks drained , if they got drain peacocks , mayby full , and not building air , mayby,
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Thanks, thats why I ask about the protection valve (the valve on the rear of the truck that your air lines come off of) I ask about the valve in my 2nd or 3rd post but never got a reply. On another note I pulled a 44,000 load yesterday which the tractor brakes would slow you down but not like they should but the TRL brakes would stop you right now!! WORKED GOOD! I keep going back to this tractor protection valve thought thinking it's messing up some how?? But it's just a guess.. I also bought the glad-hand block testers a few weeks back,hooked them up and I never notice a difference in bobtailing or with them hooked up. It's not raining today so I'll get a chance to look it over. 1st thing is to check adjustment to see if anything has changed there and if it's good I'll more than likely change out this valve.
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Replaced the tractor protection valve(cheap enough to do so). Checked brake adjustment and it was out of adjustment. This is the 1st time I checked them for myself but the shop adjusted them two weeks ago. I'll see if there is any difference once I pull a load on Monday and if not theres another shop I'll take it to and see what they can find. A lot has been ruled out, such as new brakes and shoes, foot brake valve, relay valve and tractor protection valve. I did check my air lines coming off the protection valve and I found nothing wrong with them (they are only six months old). Another thing I noticed...I thought you were to get a ratchet sound when you adjust the brakes? I got none on any of them. I have the tool to release the button and if I understand correct you don't it use when backing the brakes off? I had to use the tool to tighten the brakes and to back them off? Rears set at a 1/4 and fronts set at a 1/2.
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Gunites and Haldex will make that sound and will also be harder to back off than tighten up. If you have a pawl that you have to remove to adjust your brakes, than no, from my experience anyway, those won't be like the others. Have you pulled your blue gladhand and confirmed that air is coming out of there when brakes are applied ?
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9/16" Wrench/socket = Manual Adjust
7/16" Socket = Auto adjust slack and it will click when you back off (if it does not then the slack is bad)
5/16" wrech or square socket = Auto adjust. You have a pin that you pull out with a flat screwdriver to back these brakes off and there is no sound. If you can turn the adjuster both ways without the pin pulled out the slack is bad.silver dollar Thanks this. -
Correct. I have the tool to release the pin and it is 5/6" wrench and I had to use the tool to turn the adjuster left or right. Would not turn unless I pulled the pin.. Thanks for the help.. I just thought that all Auto adjust made a Racheting sound.
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As far as the blue air line I'm sure air is coming out because this past Friday I heard a air leak after hooking up to a TRL and realized my blue line glad hand rubber was pinched which I corrected and all was good..
Thanks Bill
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