CARB DPF Retrofit

I had 5 underground gas tanks that first I had to have a leak detection program in place, along with yearly UST permits of appx $1500.00 at the time. Then the tanks had to be upgraded with a corrosion reduction system, which I was putting off as long as possible because the rules were changing constantly.

Finally there was a deadline to get the corrosion resistance system in, at a high cost I might add. Next came a deadline as to how long a tank could be underground. If I upgraded to the corossion protection system, I wouldn't have the system paid for before the time limit on the tanks was up.

I hired a EPA approved company to take up my tanks, do soil test, and certify my closure and clean ground, at a cost five times over what I could have done the same thing myself, but I wasn't certified, so I had to bend over.

I ended up with an old service station building without gas, and 5 tanks going up the road to a "certified" disposal person. My tanks looked like they had just been put in six months earlier they were so good. The "ceritified disposer cut the ends out of the tanks and used them as culverts to build roads over ditches and creeks. So much for certified disposal.

Don't trust the government on any EPA rules. They change them at will with little to no warning, and it always cost you.

 

Wouldnt a non egr motor with dpf be more reliable and better mpg even with dpf than non egr motor?

 

Do you mean compared to an EGR motor? Not necessarily. Depends on whether it is also an EGR motor that has SCR so that the EGR is dialed back considerably. Those new engines are designed with all the add on stuff in mind. When you go and try to tie on that emissions stuff to a non-egr motor, the results may not be pretty. Those motors like to breath with low restriction exhaust, larger turbos, etc. Choke them up with a DPF and they may not run so good. The new engines are designed with all that in mind. So, in the end, a non-EGR motor, with DPF may end up not being any more cost effective than one of the new motors. The jury is still out on that. There is one guy, Henry Albert, that has almost 200,000 miles on a SCR/DPF equipped DD15 in a Cascadia, that has a documented ECM lifetime average MPG into the 8's. That is impressive by anyone's standard.

 

spoke to a shop about a retrofit and was told its better to buy truck already equipped with the dpf because if the engine is dirty it will be costly to clean and may not pass emissions with the retrofit

 

Hey guys, first post here, I actually work at a retrofitting outfit (I now have a target on my back!!), to be up front with if you can afford a new truck get one, or atleast buy a 2010 or newer truck, or you can get a 2007-2009 truck and not have to comply till 2023. Be sure to report your trucks by the end of March if you do plan on doing business in California, it will keep you elgible for any regulation changes in model years or phase in options. At a CARB meeting a few months back the instructor said 1 truck fleets that report would delay the requirement till 2016, but YOU MUST REPORT (it would fall under the phase in option of 100% compliance by 2016).

If you do decide to go ahead with a retrofit stay with bigger companies Donaldson, Johnson Matthey and Engine Control Systems, they come with a 5 year warranty, and the install will come with a 5 year warranty as well. Most trucks will take a passive filter (cheaper), of course the bigger the engine the more $$, trucks that take an active filter will be more $$, it will require you to regen every so many miles, depending on the engine size and how clean the motor runs (some are fuel born and some require shore power to regenerate). These will definately have a few bugs in them and break at some point, I can almost gurantee it.

Just remeber the DPF only delays the truck/engine replacement, by 2023 you will have to have a 2010 or newer engine. If you only do business above the bay area/sac area theres a "containment area" that will only ever require a dpf no matter the engine year. You can also get into CA 3 times a year or less then 1k miles with no retrofit, so make it a good load once a year!!

If you guys have any questions in regards to the regulations/retrofits or would like some links to the CARB website (website is confusing), message me or shoot me an email cdennis @ theemissionspecialists.com Ill see if I can help you out.

 

Thanks foe info EERS.
Do you know how much will cost Donaldson LNF or LXF retrofit?