The reason for CSA

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Tazz, Apr 12, 2012.

  1. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Bull, a fine is and can be issued in the drivers name. If the comapny is nice they could offer to pay the fine but it is still on the drivers record.

    If the driver put it in the PTI, why was the issue not corrected before leaving on the trip? It's the simple question the DOT officers will ask.
     
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  3. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    Put it this way....Two perfect BIT's From CHP in the last four years...
    A perfect inspection in NM thee years ago....

    I got nailed in WA for dumping bags to round a corner to get on the scales and forgot to turn the switch off....My screw up...they did an L1 on me and still passed....I still had to pay the good people of WA $130 fine...But it's not on my CSA score.....Since I corrected it on the spot....

    Last inspection I had was at Grapevine and that's because the DOT there was lonely and she needed someone to talk to....And all she did was an L3 on me......Wow....5 minutes of my life....How inconvenient.....:biggrin_25523:
     
  4. Working Class Patriot

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    Really.....I had a defective kingpin on a company dump about 9 years ago....DOT gave me a "fix it" ticket and my name wasn't on the ticket as the responsible party....
    Tell me...When you have a flat...Does your company expect you to pay to fix or replace the tire?
     
  5. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    A burnt out head lamp doesn't prevent you from moving a rig down the road.....Hell...I have seen NAFTA rigs run through the ST. Geo coop with busted headlamps and they don't get pulled....
     
  6. Wiseguywireless

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    Mich. is big on burned out lights. and many get tickets. So NAFTA better watch it in MI.
     
  7. dude6710

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    You must not haul containers then.
     
  8. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    9 years ago huh? You do know what would happen currently don't you? Your name, your license, your PTI, your responsibility... period.

    Is it fair? Certainly not, but it is what it is.
     
  9. LBZ

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    Would argue that. I went two years without one inspection & have a clean record. This year in January got two back to back Level 2's in N.M & KS. Literally 24-26 hours apart. No violations found either day.

    Asked the guy in KS about it & he said "when your number is up, it is up."

    CSA is garbage & does nothing safestat would not have done if enforced properly. They simply do not have the manpower nor the funding to go directly after the problem areas. Nor do they seem to know the problem areas.

    For five years now they have been making a big deal about chameleon carriers. But again, no funding is granted, just print.

    Funny how no one ever mentions to go after the big carriers hiring virtually any idiot that walks through their door. Oh wait, Big Rig Trucking school cleared that issue right up, right? Or was it donations via ATA that silenced it? Hmmmm.

    FWIW, anyone ever think about this... Would HOS & safe stat been left alone entirely w/o being nudged by Unions, ATA big fleet lobbies? The crash/safety stats are already on a level when snake Lahood & Ferrero could grandstand safe stat & 11 years of FMCSA works.
     
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  10. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    So it is OK to have laws, Ok to enforce laws, but not OK to keep track of those failures?

    That is what CSA does period.

    Safestat only tracked OOS and Crash data. CSA tracks all failures because the technology to track it was developed.

    As for the safer industry. So we just tell the people killed "oh well we were pretty much safe"?

    Or the property owners that suffer Billions in damage "Yeah but four wheelers kill more people"?

    Maybe we should hold people accountable for all their actions and failures on the road.




    I always hear this light analogy. Now everyone knows having that one light ticket or two in any period is not gonna trigger an audit.

    Having thirty a year shows a lack of vehicle maintenance so yeah it does count.
     
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  11. Tazz

    Tazz Road Train Member

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    Funny OOIDA was all over the chameleon thing until their members found out. I remember someone on their board bragging he had already purchased two other authorities that the onwers were fixing to give back so he could change to them when his number got shut down.

    They were all about training and fiscal responsibility during their 2010 campaign for alternates to the board. Yep we need to back some real training standards and work to get highway funds and bills to stop financing anything other than roads.



    At their first meeting after yet again voting in Johnson and Spencer (Why do they bother with that nonsense those to run that company and will not be dislodged?)

    They decided the most pressing issue facing the industry was lack of detention pay and backed DeFazio spending highway funds to investigate dock times for drivers.








    I have talked with Desjarlais about chameleon carriers, but like most politics he is more concerned with enforcing some mythical bs and backing his party.


    I agree training and testing need to be reinvented. But that does not mean we keep tracking the failures of those

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