vac. pump on any tanker or not?

Discussion in 'Tanker, Bulk and Dump Trucking Forum' started by Floyd, May 12, 2012.

  1. Floyd

    Floyd Light Load Member

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    I have been searching for a vac. tanker in the 8K gallon range for a bit and am not finding many out there.
    This brought me to thinking if it was possible to install a vac. pump on any tanker, as long as it was sound and tight, or do vac tanks have to be of a certain design in order to pull a vacuum on them?
    Thanks...
     
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  3. Logan76

    Logan76 Crusty In Training

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    I would assume they would have to be built to handle vaccum on them, 8,000 gallons is ALOT for a vac trailer, I would assume you would have trouble finding them in that range.

    A big vac tanker would be around 6300 gallons, 150bbls.
     
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  4. wis bang

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    I've been inside a Heil straight round vac trailer, the top dome was centered and at the 1/4 area, one per end on opposite sides there were stifiners that looked like the solid outline of a dislexic leter D welded in place, it protruded about 10" - 12" into the tank to keep the vacuum from beer caning the tank..

    You don't see anything like this in a DOT 406 or DOT 407 tanker. Pump those out with the dome closed and they will suck in!

    Spec tanks are pressure vessels, they are designed to contain pressure not vacuum.

    Vacuum dry bulkers are also structrually reinforced to handle vacuum and pressure.

    You will find vacuums w/ out the pump [designed for tractor mounted units] and belly mounted and front mounted vacuum units driven w/ a diesel or a hydraulic system...all use a tank made for vacuum.
     
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    everything logan and wis said. i think the point to understand is that shell material/thickness has to be strong enough to defend against the vacuum trying to collapse it inwards. many perfectly good tankers have been destroyed (sucked in collapsed) as they were being off-loaded, without venting them.
     
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  6. Floyd

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    Excellent info. So far you have all re-affirmed my assumptions that it takes a specially designed tank(structually) in order to handle vacuum.
    I have been searching for other options because it's been impossible to find such a large vac. tank unless you order one new. I know they are out there....just gotta keep searching.
    Thanks again gents!
     
  7. wis bang

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    Why so large? most are around 5000 - 6000 gal because building them larger means more engineering to prevent them from sucking in.

    It is possible but may be so heavy that the extra payload doesn't matter.
     
  8. Floyd

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    I can gross 100K here in Maine, NH, and MA. The place I will haul out of has a 50K gallon bulk storage, so with an 8K gallon tank it will allow me to max my payload everytime and save me extra trips.
     
  9. wis bang

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    At 8#/gal that's a 60K payload. A daycab w/ a PTO driven Dmag vac pump mounted is going to push 17K - 19K and a sleeper will run closer to 22K.

    I doubt an 8000 gal vacuum would tare under 20K so you will be real close if not over 100K especially when you add in a few thousand pounds of slush/snow.
     
  10. Floyd

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    Excellent point and yes, I think we will be cutting it close.......
    I have struggled with the possibility of a smaller, tandem axle tank, but i really would like to max out to make it more financially efficient.
    The outfit that hauls the material now has an 8k gallon alum. vac. tank, and a sleeper truck with pto driven vac. pump and he stays legal.
    I should have clarified that the tank would be aluminum......perhaps you were thinking it was going to be steel?
    Thanks again, and i do appreciate the help.
     
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