For Those Who Went From Paper Logs to Electronic

Nope. You've been watching too many drama shows. To bypass a court order you need probable cause. To have probable cause you need proof. A LEO cannot just think "well maybe this driver was using his phone so lets grab his bill", legally. They can use scare tactics all they want, and they will use them.

You gave facebook permission to use your phones GPS. There is a difference.

 

No it wasn't, as there was no mention of the FMCSA mandating them and there were few companies even trying electronic logging. Werner was about the only one, on an experimental basis and had a special waiver to do so.
Today, we have a highway bill, passed by both houses of Congress and signed, by the President, that requires the FMCSA to put rules and regs into effect, in about a year, and in two years after that all trucks under the FMCSA's jurisdiction to install them.
That is fact, not myth. Could it change before then? Yes, but until it is changed, it is fact.

 

Until I see a specific mandate that eobrs will be on all trucks, its myth in my book. Just because HOS regs are being revised doesn't conclude you're getting a eobr.

 

Just because you don't want to read the mandate, in the Highway Bill, does not mean it does not exist. It only means you refuse to recognize the facts of the evidence presented to you.
I could care less if you choose to place your head under the sand and scream, "It's not real, because I can't see it!" No skin off my butt.

 

If you present something as fact, you need a citation. My outfit doesn't adhere to logs, so a eobr will never get placed in my truck.

 

I did cite the new Highway Bill, passed by Congress and signed by the President. I did not copy and paste it, nor link it, however I did cite a publicly available document.

 

Funny how people think elogs and eobr's are the same thing.


Elogs are only a small part of the eobr mandate that was signed into law 2 weeks ago.

Think more of the black box in airplanes that record everything.

And accesable by the DOT at anytime. Just plug the computer in. OR your truck transmits the data to the weigh station as you go by.

Elogs are about control, since there are those people who refuse to obey the laws. So we all get to suffer.

Elogs used correctly can improve efficient usage of a fleet of trucks. Something the one truck owner already does. But government has a one size fits all mentality, and we the people follow like sheep.

I do have weeks of 3200 to 3600 miles on elogs. Takes efficent dispatch, and then planning on my part to make the pick ups and deliveries within the legal windows. So some days I will take a 12 hour break, so I have the window of time needed. Part of adapting.

 

Only fact i see are accidents like the one i saw 3 hours ago.

TRUCKER DEATHS WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF. but u dont care. All u care is that we all get a box. Any your idiotic highway bill.

 

The guy who runs at my last company installed e-logs on the trucks voluntarily, (and it was a small company, mind you, not one of the mongo-sized ones), during one of the times he was sitting and shooting the bull with some drivers the coversation went to his decision to go with the electronic stuff, and the thing that stuck out was liability in case of an accident. If a driver is running E logs, gets into a wreck(like if one of those fine, expertly driving chicago numbskull four wheelers cuts him off and takes out the truck's front bumper),then if there is a court case, and the driver is running legal, then E logs would be an advantage because there would be PROOF that he is legal, not like with paper logs which the DOT officers and lawyer could interpret anyway they wish?

Ive been running E logs both with my present company and my last one, and for the most part, they have been an advantage. I have actaully run more miles, and the last 2 times i was inspected, the troopers didnt even bother with the logs. Seems to me most of the complaints in this thread are the same anti government dimwits who cant get it through their heads that the days of smokey and the bandit are long since over (and deserve to be over.), and feel they have to hijack threads all the time.

Btw, if you think im just some guy who just popped out of some driving school and am quoting out of some book, WRONG. Ive gotten almost 18 years in with no tickets, and not even a penny shoveled out in log fines. If black boxes scare you that much, maybe you should think twice before "teachin that dang fo' wheeler a lesson". Ive seen veteran drivers pull off just as much stupidity these days as the "newbs".

Just my honest $.02, take it or leave it.

 

A EOBR does not transmit data to the DOT, and it's a far cry from a black box. A EOBR is a Multi-Data-Terminal, or MDT. Elogs are a major part of a EOBR, but a EOBR is also a messaging device between the company and driver. A black box is a recording device and nothing more. A black box has 2 parts. A ####pit Voice Recorder, or CVR that you guessed it, records sound from the ####pit in either 30 minute intervals or 4 hours depending on the tape reels used. The other part of the black box is a Flight-Data-Recorder, or FDR. The FDR works in the same manner of the CVR, but it records control surface imputs. If a scalemaster wanted to review your logs, you would need to fax them over. The only device in your truck that transmits data directly to the DOT is the pre-pass/nor-pass you have plastered on the windshield. If you wanted to compare a EOBR to a device on a commercial jet, the closest in comparison would be SELCAL and ACARS.