Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

If you bobtailed for 14 hours, then you were already in violation. I'm not attacking you personally, but this is exactly my point. You let dispatch determine how to drive. If you allowed that bottom feeder company dictate to you that itr is ok to bobtail 14 hours to look for an empty because they are so mismanaged and them let them dispatch you on a load and you accept it, well then obviously you do need someone to dictate your hours for you. Grow a spine and tell them no. They cannot force you to run illegal anymore than they can with e logs unless you allow them too. That's the bottom line. As for the personal conveyance, again, that's left to interpreting. My point is, you can follow your e logs to a t and still be the ####### that drives I'm the wring lane, if hits a low bridge or takes a hood off or exits too fast and lays it over....they could follow every log rule and still kill someone. E logs are no safer than paper so long as the driver allows himself to be manipulated. You can show being in the bunk 10hours on your e log while you're in watching the superbowl. That's no different than lying on a paper log. It happens.

 

One on E-logs might think it works best for them but I am happy on my paper and I do just fine. I have never been forced to run E-logs so I would think that means I have done my job like a professional. So why should I be forced over to E-logs. It has been proven by statement after statement E-logs do not enforce safety nor compliance for HOS. They are just a tool for company's safety department to keep "tabs" or control over drivers. Man am I glad I am an owner operator and this whole mess will be tied up in court if they try to mandate it upon us since they can't force us to spend our money on an un-needed expense.

 

Agreed. I have yet to hear a concrete statement that proved e logs make you safer. Safety comes down to common sense and there isn't much of that around anymore. Personally, that's what needs to be mandatory...common sense.

 

So it's safe to assume that you believe unsafe activities should lead to drivers being removed from the road?

 

Some on here say they have nothing to do with safety only compliance but that has been proven over and over to be false also. So it comes down to only being for company safety guys to keep "watch" over the drivers. Nothing else. Pretty simple when it comes down to it. Companys that employ alot of drivers might "want" them but they are not needed for the whole industry. It should be a choice.

 

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Sounds to me like the hiring process isn't much at said company.

 

That's an easy excuse to make, however without CSA (or rather PSP), and DAC (another favorite) how are companies supposed to know who is going to be a good hire? Should we leave it up to the interview? I know most drivers are real personable and can sell themselves, but (and I know this is hard to believe) some drivers aren't very charismatic. So what can you do, select the best possible applicants based off of your hiring criteria, and mold them into "better" drivers. I feel that our methods are good, if you perform well then we leave you alone. If you don't perform well then we talk to you about what happened. It we feel there is something that you can do differently we'll let you know. If you have a 4 minute violation finding somewhere to park, we're not even going to bother you. If you have a 4 minutes violation every day of the week, we'll start asking questions.

 

If drivers have points or marks on the PSP, DAC, or CSA why do you hire them(any company not just yours). If companys wouldn't hire drivers that are already bad drivers then they wouldn't be able to continue to do the same actions over and over and them become part of the reason company's want EOBRS and E-logs. This would be an easier way to "crack the whip" instead of tracking every drivers move within the truck(EOBRs).

 

You you can assume what you want. If you're having to micromanage a driver to get results, then there is a huge problem for both the company and the driver. I see the companies spend huge amounts to recruit drivers and treat their senior drivers poorly so that they keep the churning affect going. The companies will deny it happens, but it's true. Hire a newby, pay him $.25/mile and run him to death and give the senior driver 2000 miles a week because financially it's cheaper. The trainers with little experience trainig the newbies and not being able to fail said newby, just pass him along to the next trainer. Oh, and let's not forget how we are training from the bunk too. You want safety in this industry? Here's my suggestion. First, downsize to a managable level so that you know who you are hiring. Buy the best equipment you can get and maintain it to the utmost standards instead of just warranty work then trade it off. Pay the drivers either salary or by the hour so that they can bring $1500 a week home and get that driver home on time for quality time. Your e log needs and driver shortage will disappear over night. No one out here wants to work extra hours or risk having a crash. We want a decent paycheck and some quality of life. The problem is that everyonr but the driver is putting all the risk on his back while they get richer doing virtually no work.

 

a four minute violation trying to find somewhere to park?

i guess you dont realize, depending on when you got loaded, how far you have to go, sometimes you try to make it West Memphis by midnight, because you have to get to Austin in a decent time tomorrow and your shipper let you out late

so you arrive at your 10.5hrs in west memphis, and no spots to be found, it takes 10-20 minutes just to drive around and find a spot

so you go to next town, ZERO, now you are out of hours, you had planned it well, but stuff happens

should this be a violation? you arent tired, but you are trying to be compliant