Why CSA 2010 and E-Logs are a good thing.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Theophilus, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    Some cookies would be nice
     
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  3. Dinomite

    Dinomite Road Train Member

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    E Logs are Super Truckerlicious!!
     
  4. EZX1100

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    peace out, DAWG!
     
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  5. texan007

    texan007 Medium Load Member

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    You know in regards to the words "outlaw, law breaker" I've come to realize this is a new way of communicating. When your wrong, FOS or are just being dishonest.....demonize the other side/person.

    Thks tactic is being used all too much these days. Forget about open discussions, you know encoding/decoding. Some feel they are just sooooooo much smarter, well informed, superior than they have no need to listen to the other side anymore.
    After all we are just redneck hicks, outlaws, law breakers so our thoughts just don't count.

    Much easier to get their points across! Call names, act like we are saying we want to hurt/kill people, are lawless then go right backto repeating data EVERY SANE, RATIONAL thinking person knows is either flat out false or picked through and persented through a small window.

    I have more awards than ANY driver in my company, more accident free miles, best profit margin, best MPG etc......so what if I'm the ONLY driver!

    These "studies" the FMCSA refered to in court, ever look at who gathered the data, who PAID for the study, was it compared to the mountain of data that proves the opposite?! This really is all a big joke! Big business wants, they let the useful "people" be "useful" by all kinds of means other than just laying out the data right next to ALL THE other data and coming to a reasonable conclusion.....all the while Public Citizen, ATA, teamsteers etc sue /play games and jocky for the real money in controlling the labor force!

    As long as public citizen and the like have a voice in the maiing of LAW WE ARE DOOMED!!!!!!
     
  6. texan007

    texan007 Medium Load Member

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    I just sad the way people are starting to view their rights....rights OVER others, rights stolen from them. Wake up and feel the shame people!
     
  7. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    Paper logs have become a "right"(?????)....and we are about to lose our right to paper log and be replaced by a forced mandated electronic tracking device?

    I declare I have the right to change any comment into innuendo at the stroke of a key!:biggrin_25514:
     
  8. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    I keep taking rights, lead me in a circle....well actually a rectangle but who's counting
     
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  9. Cowpie1

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    Regarding this discussion, trying to figure out what "rights" are being violated or taken away here. The right to scribble what you want on a log book? Please show me that right in the Constitution or Bill of Rights. But then some would say, "well the 4th amendment... the right to protection from unreasonable search and seizure." That might be an argument if any government agency was monitoring your e-logs all the time, every minute of the day, but they and even the carrier are not. But a random check to see if you are in compliance with something that is considered part of the Interstate Commerce Clause of the Constitution, hardly. Others would say... "ok then, how about the 5th amendment.. the right to protection from self incrimination." Fine. Don't open your fat mouth and say something you might regret when talking to an LEO. He is not your buddy, so don't try and act like it. You may be required to answer some basic questions, but you do not have to answer every question posed to you. Like the Minnesota fatigued driving scam that went on. Asking you for your neck size, do you have reading material, your weight, how often you are on the internet, etc you don't have to answer. You still have the right to legal counsel if questioned in depth.

    Look, you have to show a driver's license to verify you are qualified to drive any vehicle on the road. You have to supply a log to show that you are legally operating a commercial vehicle. So what if it is on paper or done by a box. Same information, that is unless one is playing games with the paper one, which I still haven't figured out what in the Constitution or BOR give you that right.

    I firmly believe we are over regulated, for sure. But rights are not being violated or taken away with this issue. Maybe the "freedom" to do whatever we please irregardless of who it affects. But even that is not true Libertarian thinking. But there is one advantage to this E-log thing.... it just may save your bacon so that ALL of your rights are not severely restricted because you were brought up on criminal charges for falsifying a log and someone was injured or died and you now get to live in an 8x8 cell for a while and think it over. And truth be told, it is one of the primary reasons that many carriers, not all, decided to go with e-logs.... to reduce the chance of civil litigation against them.
     
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  10. EZX1100

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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

    if working for our livelihood doesnt fit into ALL THREE of those categories, then nothing does

    and mind you, that revolt was mainly based on taxes, not livelihood

    how does any government tell grown men when to go to bed? where do they get such authority? where does it end?
     
  11. Autocar

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    These rights apply to people, not business entities.
     
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