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Need help understanding a Logbook example, please!

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Six9GS, Dec 5, 2012.

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  1. Dec 5, 2012 #1
    Six9GS

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    I don't know if this example is large enough to be seen. Briefly, I'm trying to learn about duty times, logbooks, etc. I found a book of examples on the FMCSA's web site and I have been reading it and looking at it. The URL of the example book is; http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/documents/hos/logbook.pdf

    This is example No. 15 in that book and my dilemma is that according to the book there is no violation in this example. It seems to me the 14 hour rule is violated and I don't understand why this is NOT a violation. The driver began his 14 hour duty time, after a 10 hour off-duty break at 10AM on the first day. So his 14 hour duty period began, which expired at midnight. At which time he would have to have a 10 hour off-duty break. Now then at 6PM he did begin sleeper time. But, only completed 8 hours before resuming driving duties. It was not a 10 hour break. I do not understand why this is not a violation and would appreciate help in seeing why this is not a violation.

    Thank You!!

    PS. this book covers the upcoming changes that are scheduled to take effect July 1, 2013.
     
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  3. Dec 5, 2012 #2
    Mark Kling

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    Sleeper Berth example.
     
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    Six9GS

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    OK. But, if that answers my question, I don't understand the answer. How does the "Sleeper Berth example" modify the 14 hour rule so that no violation ensurs. He only spent 8 hours in the sleeper berth, it was not a full 10 hours off-duty that would restart the 14 hour duty cycle period. Something in what I understand is wrong and I need help seeing it.

    Thank You.
     
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    Palazon

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    This is an example of the "split sleeper" rule. Don't feel bad, it confuses a lot of drivers.

    When you take 8 hrs in a sleeper, it "pauses" your 14 hr clock, allowing you the time that was remaining on your 11/14. When you take a 2 hr break (off or sb), you gain the hours that were not used between the 8 and 2 hr breaks.

    Example: Driver works .5 hr, drives for 6, takes 8 hrs sleeper. As he goes into sleeper, he has 5 hrs on his 11 hr clock, and 7.5 on his 14 hr clock. When he leaves the sleeper (8hrs later) he still has 5/11 and 7.5/14. Say he drives 3 hrs and takes a 2hr break (laundry, shower, etc.) at the end of the 2 hrs break, he now has 8 of 11 dr and 11 of 14.

    It's a very confusing rule and I may have messed up the explaination, but that's the basic idea. I only use it when I have to to make an appointment time. I hope I've helped a bit.
     
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    Pmracing

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    Our safety guy said, "if you need it, call me. I will double check the numbers for you."

    Mikeeee
     
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    merlinn

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    Palazon got it right. As an instructor, I hated teaching this rule. It was once the norm for teams under the 10 driving/8 off duty rule with each driver being on/off for 5 hours (as far as the company knew). It's so confusing that I really don't know why it's even used. It creates no benefit for the driver.
     
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  10. Dec 5, 2012 #8
    Scooter Jones

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    On a split berth if you do 8 consective hrs you can come out and drive the remaining hrs you had left on your 11 when you went into the sleeper. The balance of your previous 14 starts at the end of 8 hr split berth. It's the dumbest and most confusing rule they could of devised. If you only had 3 hrs left on your 11 at the end of the 8 hr split, that's all you get until you reset again.
     
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    Six9GS

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    Ah HA!!!!! That's what I didn't see. I don't know about the sleeper-berth pause thingy. I got much more to learn!! Thank You so much for your help. I'm just wanting to learn what I can. I have a few months before I can dive into all this. The more I know and understand when I'm finally able to go to school, the better I think!!
     
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    Palazon

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    My pleasure.... and if I didn't use DDL I'd never have understood this rule. I don't have the "big brain", the program does the work.... lol
     
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