GCWR and what Im seeing required for hot shot???

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  1. Jan 15, 2013 #1
    DJ1Houston

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    I have a 2009 3500ram chassis cab that can tow 24000 GCWR and Ive looked at 5500 and F550 C/C and maybe Im generally confused.

    Again today I was looking at listings and they want
    Equipment Needed:
    - 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup truck in good condition
    - 30' to 40+' gooseneck trailer with AT LEAST a 15,000 load/weight capacity

    Well from what I find thats over the legal limits of these trucks. A 40' foot at about 10k pounds plus my truck at about 8k leaves me 6k limit on the trailer right?

    I havent found to many cabs that have GCWR 33000+ towing...am I looking at this all wrong?

    John
    Houston TX
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2013 #2
    Ghost Ryder

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    24k GVWR = truck and trailer together, so yes; your math is correct.

    BTW, from one n00b to another, welcome to the forum! :biggrin_25522:
     
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    dibstr

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    If it will help any, 30-40 ft 15,000 GVWR trailer with actual weights of 10,000 seems somewhat strong. You can likely knock a few thousand pounds off of that. If you go really lightweight you can likely knock it down more than half.

    Best regards
     
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    MC2Xpress

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    my 42' trailer and 2012 Ram 4500 with 90Ga transfer fuel tank runs about 19-20K. I am tagged for 40K. I can actually carry about 15K loads maybe more if everything would work on my trailer.
     
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    DJ1Houston

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    thanks guys but how

    @MC2Xpress are you tagged at 40k??

    when I look at dodge http://m.ramtrucks.com/shared/pdf/2012_RAM_4500_Chassis_Cab_Trailer_Tow_Chart.pdf
    I still cant figure out that GCWR, did you get an upgraded towing package ??? I see one on Ford F550 for 33k

    @DIBSTER I have looked at 3 brands here around houston and to get about 6k lb trailer is 30' and rated 11000ish
    and the 40s weigh about 10k. IF anyone know who makes a 40 thats around 5k lb please let me know that would solve a lot of this problem !!

    John
     
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    MC2Xpress

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    GCVWR = Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating meaning the weight rating of your truck and trailer combined. I think the weight rating GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) for the truck is like 19.5K out of the box. No upgrades needed. And the trailer is 21K. You are actually limited by your tire rating and Axle rating. Im not sure what mine are, I am just using the truck and trailer combined rating.
     
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    MC2Xpress

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    actually the truck may have been 16.5 come to think of it, the Ramtrucks.com website should tell you

    Edit: Just because you are tagged for 40K doesn't mean your truck will handle it. I think GCVWR for my combo should be 37.5K
     
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  10. Jan 16, 2013 #8
    BAYOU

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    It's just like a semi the GVWR is 52,000lbs but you reg it for 80,k with that said you can't scale the truck over 52,k on just the truck,now you can be 80,000 truck and trailer

    Your truck has a GVW of 19,500 and your trailer is 20,000 GVW that means you tag the truck for 39,500 than you scale the truck and trailer say it's 19,500lbs you can legally haul 20,000lbs as long as you don't go over your axle weight
     
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  11. Jan 17, 2013 #9
    DJ1Houston

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    I guess what throws me is a dodge rep told me and the charts say total " for me" 24k pounds. take out the truck and thats 16k left, they told me regardless of anything else if DPS pulled me over and I was towing over 16k that exceeds the limit approved for the vehicle of 24k Gross combined.

    SO if i put the truck and a 10k pound trailer on the scale Im fine but how can I tow the 15k load the trailer can handle? I know the truck will do it but thats a total of 25k just for the trailer and load. Im not asking how to break any laws just dont quite understand yet, im very numbers oriented.

    Bayou, you called it GVWR of 52k Im stuck on the dodge chart is 16-19 towing or 24ish gross combined, I see your math for the total of 52 but dont understand how or why they would tag you at 80 then?
     
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  12. Jan 17, 2013 #10
    BAYOU

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    Don't listin to what there saying your truck can pull my 06 dodge 3500 is reg at 40,000 GVW my trailer has 12,k axles empty weight on truck and trailer is 19,200 so on my trailer I haul 18,000lbs on my trailer axles empty I'm 8,000lbs so I can haul 16,000lbs of what ever I want on the rear of my trailer if I move it half way up on the trailer I can haul 18,k because it puts weight on the truck

    Stop talking about what there saying the truck can pull they don't make a semi that pulls 500,000lbs but heavy haul guys do it all the time
     
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