amplifier power claims -bogus!

Read this post many times and wanted to reply but thought 'no not worth it'. However in effect you are demonizing with sheer propaganda an entire class of people while failing to provide a single example to back up your claim. So I have to ask you to provide evidence using specific examples. You said "Another trick the CB shops will use", not "I know of a CB shop" or "a few shops". Meaning you are saying ALL CB shops are lying thieves. I take exception to this. This site is supposed to be trucker oriented, not a ham forum, and it would not take many surveys to prove the majority of truckers nationwide using a CB are not also ham operators. Yet for a long time I have seen a tendency to promote amateur radio while demonizing those who operate a CB. Not only the people, also the radio service. CB's are predominately put down while ham operation is predominately promoted. So which is it? Is this a trucker forum or a ham forum? I have no problem with amateur radio other than the never ending cliquish attitude I see almost exclusively whenever I encounter those holding a ticket. Since the majority of truckers are CB'ers not hammers, I do not think they should be made to feel as if they are inferior by nature simply because they do not hold an amateur ticket. Commonly I see threads where CB'ers would be hesitant to say anything for fear of being made a fool. Why is this? I know many CB shop operators who are very good technicians and try their very best to provide good reliable service while being as honest and above board as they possibly can. Considering how cheaply CB radios are stamped out combined with the very harsh environment especially considering vibration in a truck, often it takes effort 'above the call' to provide good service. Especially considering the electrical systems in newer trucks and the lack of enough metal for good grounding. While there are too many fly by nights out there this does not mean all are crooks using tricks to show false power readings. One good shop who is honest as well as a good technician is 'Fine Tune CB' in Amarillo, run by 'Hard Drive' Mark Sherman. There are quite a few others out there who are good technicians and honest.

 

Without reading the whole thread and at risk of
repeating someone else, these class C amps can
be volted up to 18 or 20 volts. This can show close
to the advertised watts. Not that i would recommend it.

 

Bird meter is the only meter to use for accurate readings.A food amp wont say watts it will say how many pills like a fatboy.

 

Sorry, it does not. First of all, he is commenting on a post that starts this way:

Thus, he was directly commenting on the shops referred to in M818's post, not "all shops".

 

Defending the indefensible by using a non sequitur position disavows logic and reason. While English is not as specific as Greek it is accurate enough so that one can draw a conclusion. Arguing with that conclusion by using error for foundation is false logic. Your basis for calling my conclusion in error is intrinsically flawed because you base it by your own quote of M818, "claims made by those who offer linear amplifiers", which in itself is not subject to vague or open interpretation. Read the words again. "claims made by those". This by simple logic is a set, the set of all "those". In effect there can be no other interpretation, M818 is commenting upon the group which by definition is ALL who sell linear amplifiers. Whether or not they really are 'linear amplifiers' is not germane to the subject at hand. The question is your choosing to say I am in error because you say gadfly was only talking about those CB shops in the group pointed to by m818. The problem in your logic is twofold. First, you base it upon the original comment by m818 when clearly He was talking about 'all those' selling amplifiers. Second, you say I am in error concerning gadfly when the same implication in the words He used can be implied, i.e., ALL CB shops. It is there in bold print in the words of both persons to which you refer.

Also, you completely overlook the statement by gadfly where He is saying they are using the SWR function on their meters in forward mode to show large deflections of the meter. Anyone doing so to indicate power readings to a customer is very clearly conducting business in a fraudulent manner which a reasonable person would term 'theft'. His connection to the set of which shops He is referring to was done in His prior statement 'all CB shops'. This is not open to interpretation nor guesswork assuming English is your first language. Pointless I imagine to question whether or not this part was overlooked by accident or deliberately yet it very clearly gives color to the overall trend in gadfly's opinion of CB shops.

Since I was not talking either to you or about you it leaves me wondering if your coming in to attack my position on this subject is based merely upon your attitude towards me in general rather than any specific error you thought I may have been purveying to the forum. I was not in error in my conclusions. I was pointing out a prejudice gadfly has consistently shown towards both CB and CB'ers, over the years I have read posts on this board. I have read them all over quite a long time. While each and every time they are irritating to me I have for years refrained from pointing this prejudice out in public. However when it becomes an accusation of theft on the part of all who operate a CB business I simply must speak out. Whether you are happy about it or not.

If you are going to shoot me down do not use blanks. Reading comprehension and logical thinking is something all should have been taught by the time they graduate. Alas I fear this has not been done in American schools for over a generation. So sad.



So there can be no misunderstanding following is the definition of non sequitur:

Non sequitur (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises. In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion. All invalid arguments are special cases of non sequitur. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition. Many types of known non sequitur argument forms have been classified into many different types of logical fallacies.

 

Also, while you have your Latin phrase book open, please turn to argumentum ad hominem.

Take another look at his ENTIRE first paragraph (emphasis mine):

Right there, he was defining who he was talking about.

I just noticed that the post that got you all riled up is over a year and a half old. Do you often dig through old posts looking at things to get mad about?

You got me on this one. I'm done with this thread.

 

So glad you are done but do not think you have the right to jump in and impute negative emotions, and motivations towards the character of another person, then leave as if you have the high ground. Since you are done please do not drag this out further. Because of your statements directed at my character you force me to reply as all people have the right to defend themselves from being maligned unfairly. This you did with these words: "I just noticed that the post that got you all riled up is over a year and a half old. Do you often dig through old posts looking at things to get mad about?".

How ironic it is that my true motivation behind my first post to gadfly asking Him to provide evidence of His accusations of CB shops using the SWR function to give false power indications, was their right of self defense against being accused of deception. They have no way to defend themselves since no one knows who they are as gadfly was not providing specific evidence. My problem with this is simple. This is a CB forum on a truck drivers website. Left to stand unchallenged His post gives truck drivers nationwide a bad impression of ALL CB SHOPS. A large number of these 'shops' are honest, fair, competent people trying to make a living doing the best they can while providing a needed service to the drivers out there. By the way I assume you overlooked it, but gadfly's use of the word "accidentally" within quotes implies sarcasm which implies deception by the shops is what they are accused of.

Not only are you completely clueless as to my emotional state, nothing I stated in my post to gadfly can be construed as providing evidence backing up your accusations of being "riled" or "mad" about old posts against me.

The answer to these accusations was provided in my beginning post. He was calling out CB shops for being crooks so I rightfully asked Him to provide examples or evidence of whatever shops it was He was accusing. In my mind all, what you believe makes no difference. These shops have the right to see the evidence against them. Fair is fair. By the way your entire controversy with me involves lack of reading comprehension. Lack of assessment of the available evidence as well on your part since I have been here long enough that it would not take much effort to look through my posts to discover I have no track record of digging up 18 month old posts to be all "riled up about" or "mad about" as evidenced by quoting your words of accusation against me. Read my beginning words below:

"Read this post many times and wanted to reply but thought 'no not worth it'. However in effect you are demonizing with sheer propaganda an entire class of people while failing to provide a single example to back up your claim. So I have to ask you to provide evidence using specific examples."

My post in the beginning was not directed towards you nor did you have anything to do with it. You took the initiative to jump in and involve yourself in it by making posts claiming I was wrong. So naturally I had no choice but to reply back in my defense. Whether you do or do not believe He meant all shops is immaterial. Ironically the phrase "argumentum ad hominem" which you used if one of higher education were to study it's full definition and apply it to the last few posts actually applies to you not me. Also, I do not now nor have I ever owned a 'Latin phrase book' at any time in my life. Some people have educations. Others, not so much. Since as you say you are "done with it" I do not expect to hear any more from you on this subject nor do I wish to waste further time with it. I said what needed to be said, defended myself when defense was required, and asked gadfly to provide evidence backing up his claims. Nothing more is required.

 

Interesting M818...I too have heard about hams that went SK....their "buddies" will approach the SK's widow at the funeral home....not to offer condolences....but to ask "if any of his ham gear will be for sale"....that's as slimy as Joe Jackson at his son Michaels funeral trying to promote his new record label.

Outlaw, yes some hams are uppity, cliquish and all that....but not all of them. I myself hold a general class license, but I do not think i am all that. I will say, I have encountered some ####### hams on the air just like I have encountered some really good ones. Fact of the matter is radio is radio; it's the operator and how he conducts himself. Some CB ops have made ##### out of themselves and gave the CB service a bad name. The same can be said for ham. The only difference is, on CB "anything goes" whereas ham tends to be more policed. That's why on ham you don't hear as many roger beeps, echos, noise toys....I am sure it does happen, but it's mostly frowned on, so if it does happen, it's seldom. On the flip side, CB....it happens so often (especially channel 19) that it has became "the norm".

 

Rest in peace AB7IF