D12A missing on no load 1550 rpm to 1900 rpm

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  1. Oldschoolmack

    Oldschoolmack Bobtail Member

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    Hi Pablo, please bear with me here, I'm still getting the hang of this forum. Do you want me to post my email address on here for you or there is another way?
     
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  3. Oldschoolmack

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    Oh man my sides hurt now.....:biggrin_1square7: I'm saying the Volvo dealers want drug money to purchase VCAD's and you're saying I can get it as a download with crack............I still haven't stopped chuckling....
     
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    Hopefully after this post I can pm you - gotta have a minimum of seven posts to do so...
     
  5. Pablo-UA

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    you type so many posts))) LOL
     
  6. snowwy

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    well, i'm not a diesel mechanic. but i AM a retired auto mechanic. that that is DEFENITLY not the way those 2 sensors work on cars.
     
  7. Pablo-UA

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    really crank sensor used on cars was introduced to follow Euro-2 emissions for gas engines. It is used to detect missfire and disable cylinder with fully bad spark plug to avoid catalistic converter damage and CH emissions. Of course - save fuel on limp home mode.

    On diesel engines crank sensor is used for self ballancing, detecting wrong engine timing and as redundancy when cam sensor is bad.
     
  8. snowwy

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    i'm curious as to what school you went to.

    cuz when i had my crank sensor replaced on my truck last year. the kw shop defenition was exactly what i knew how things work already. which is the same as cars. and has absolutely nothing to do with cylinder balance and what not.
     
  9. Pablo-UA

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    I used to pull memory dumps from old Volvo engine ECMs amd check how does it work. D12A is old school ECM. No flash. They Used parallel EPROM and UV eraseble EPROM. Use WinOLS software to see maps and correct
     
  10. Oldschoolmack

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    Hi Snowwy, I know exactly where you are coming from on this one - you would think there is the requirement to have two operational sensors in order to have the diesel run, especially when you look at the pulse train on a scope for the crank sensor. It has a clear "reset count" pulse ( or in this case a null value point ) which is usually a dead giveaway to be the reference source for every other counter in the engine, seeing as it has accrued error correction every revolution.

    Plenty of cars here use the same principle as what you describe.

    But Pablo is right - The Volvo literature even describes the function of the crank sensor as performing power balance on idle - and it does it every time the engine comes back to idle - all so you have a nice smooth idle.
     
  11. Oldschoolmack

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    Hi Pablo,

    Thought I might have found something today, but on second thoughts, maybe not.

    I decided to check the pedal values in isolation on a multimeter (ie: pedal harness unplugged from loom) so that I could see if the pedal was acting smoothly. On the resistance ranging it seemed quite fine - no sudden jumps in value, no dropouts. Great I thought....now for the idle switch component.

    With the pedal at idle position there is no contact - exactly how it should be. When the pedal is depressed there is some pedal movement before the switch actuates - also how it should be. But it is the value that has me thinking - it come up with approx 32 ohms - AHA!! I thought. Found ya!! Most idle switch values are on or off - short cct or open and the presence of a resistive value threw me for a minute. Only a minute though, because I thought it was probably designed that way so that the ecu could differentiate in between a short cct from the the pedal switch and a genuine short cct fault. With the switch value at 30 ohms, the ecu sees that as a bonafide value and is happy, where as if it sees a lower resistance value (read short cct), it would know there is a genuine fault condition present.

    My question here is: On just a straight resistance reading, what is the value of an operated switch supposed to be?..... A true short cct value ( 0 ohms ), or is it supposed to be around 30 ohms or something similar.

    Regards, L.
     
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