A/C condensor issue...??

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Gambi80, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Gambi80

    Gambi80 Medium Load Member

    Could a restriction within (internally) an A/C condenser cause the pressures to build slowly on an a/c system? I've been having issues with my Pete's a/c and have replaced: compressor, accumulator(?), orifice tube all at the same time and no change. The only thing left is the condenser. The problem is that the compressor does about 3 short cycles, each time kicking off due to low low-side pressure, goes below 15 each time...then finally ends up with enough to do a proper cycle. Hot side goes to about 325, fan kicks on and brings hot side down to around 225. Compressor kicks off, repeats short cycles then does full cycle. Fan kicks on, repeat. The mechanic bypassed the low-side switch and left the compressor run constant, with the fan on constant (to simulate running down the road, which is where the problem is most evident) and the low-side pressure hovered around 12lbs. He said that the high-side should be building considerably quicker than it was on a day like that...88* with a 78* dew point.

    The issue seems to be less evident at idle, 700 rpm. If I bump up the idle it happens. If I turn on the engine fan manually to run constant, the compressor just cycles constantly. It's been charged with the machine properly to 4lbs (per Peterbilt specs). Both pressure switches were swapped out with new and no change. The air flow thru the vents is great, I change the fresh air filter about once a month. Evaporator is clean.

    Clear as mud? Any insight would be appreciated.
     
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  3. morr2fab

    morr2fab Medium Load Member

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    sounds like it's low on freon.
     
  4. beltrans

    beltrans Medium Load Member

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    I agree with morr2fab... Try adding more freon little by little watching gauges... 12psi on low-side is too low, should be around 30 psi.
     
  5. morr2fab

    morr2fab Medium Load Member

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    I know condensers dont go bad unless you put a hole in them. All they do is condense gas into liquid by cooling it. You could possibly have to much oil in the system, but I dont know of a way to check it. If you had anything foreign in the system it would never make it through the expansion valve. I'm just throwing things out there. Could be other things as well. It's best to have someone who "Knows" auto ac systems look at it, Not just some mechanic.
     
  6. Gambi80

    Gambi80 Medium Load Member

    Could you elaborate on the 'other things'...??? The orifice tube has a screen on it and there was some debris on it, so he changed that...then replaced compressor then changed the orifice tube again. Btw, everything was done in steps, not all at once. But the problem still persists.

    A pretty good portion of the fins on the condenser are bent, but it does not struggle to cool nor does the engine struggle to keep cool. So I guess a guy has to add refrigerant as the engine is running and a/c is on..??
     
  7. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Like Morr2fab said, there really isn't much to a condenser. There could be a line collapsing internally between the compressor and condenser. Usually anywhere there is a restriction great enough to effect the system, there is also a temperature change because there is also a pressure change. Check all the lines as the system is running for any great temp changes along the line. If you find a spot, internally there is a restriction. 134 is a bit forgiving with overcharges, but not as much with under charge. There are specific pressures the 134 should be at compared to ambient air temps. To make sure the charge is somewhat in the ball park, shut the truck down and just let it sit for a few hours. Check the a/c pressures, and check the ambient air temp.
    http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
    I found this website. You can plug in the air temp and it will calculate what the a/c pressure should be at without the truck running. There is also a handy chart there too.
     
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  8. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    I've gone through this a few times.

    Yes it could be low freon but there is another issue you need to address first - why is there gunk in the orifice tube?

    If you had any gunk or garbage in the orifice tube, you should do a complete wet flush of the entire system. some mechanics will blow out the system or run freon through it with an open end to flush it but it needs to have a good flush to get the crud out. Your compressor may be the source where the junk is coming from so, get ready to replace it.
     
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  9. Gambi80

    Gambi80 Medium Load Member

    That's why it was replaced...there were small metallic particles in it (aluminum?).
     
  10. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Ok, you posted right before I did. You definitely have metal contamination in your system. You are looking at a totally system flush. You will need to replace the condenser, compressor, orifice tube and accumulator and perform a complete system flush on the other components. This is the only way to completely get everything cleaned out. Replacing one piece here and there will only continue to allow the contamination to spread through-out the system. The flush and repairs need to be done by a professional who know what he is doing, using the proper chemicals, or repeat failure will happen. Unfortunately this is expensive. Any time a compressor is replace for any reason, the accumulator or receiver drier should always be cut open and check for any metal. This prevents repeat problems like this. Complete system flush is also the only way to determine the correct amount refrigerant oil is put back into the system. Too much or too little oil will also cause havoc.
     
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