Isx repairs

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by NEWMAN67, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Strange77

    Strange77 Light Load Member

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    I'm a bit confused let me run this down right quick:

    1. Brakes weak before shop visit
    2. Technician tests both solenoids
    a. Was test performed with engine operating or engine off?
    3. Operated unit will all connections made and checked brake operation, front set weak
    a. Did technician check brakes on road test or sitting in the shop and throttling the engine?
    4. Tech checks harness from ECM and it has correct power
    a. How did he check the power? Through the DVOM test ports on the tester?

    I agree with Nasriza probably just one of the 3 o-rings on the solenoid has lost its sealing ability or the solenoid is going bad itself. But I do like to check all my basis before putting parts on.

     
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  3. kwcam

    kwcam Light Load Member

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    We see this all the time, the rocker shaft detent holes wear, go out of round where the jake control spool sits in it. this is were oil pressure is lost causing weak jakes. Replace both rocker shafts, all 6 control spools and 6 springs and it will bring jake performance back to new spec. cost is around $600 (cdn) and two hours time with a full valve set. cummins did a change up on the shafts to make them harder, so they last a bit longer. sounds like all your other checks show good.
     
  4. Markvfl

    Markvfl Road Train Member

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    What year/series is your engine? The jake's function is greatly effected by the turbo... do you have a vgt turbo?

    I had my cams replaced recently and now EVERYTHING leaks that they took apart.
     
  5. kwcam

    kwcam Light Load Member

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    I was just thinking about that after sending my last post, the 870 will have the air operated VGT that can have it's own issue with leaks, sticking etc. the 871 will give you a code if there is an issue.
    Also to check the jake rocker to see if the detent is worn, with the cover off, rock the jake rocker back and forth to "feel" if it seats into the detent firmly, if it flops around the detent is worn, will only take one hole per shaft to weaken jake output.
     
  6. NEWMAN67

    NEWMAN67 Bobtail Member

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    jakes were weak when pulled in garage. valve cover off and solenoids tested through bulkhead plugin,and both worked. harness from ecm was unhooked and wire test with ohms tester was good plugged harness back in with engine running and no movement on front solenoid. today put new solenoid in, so know both r new. jakes were rebuilt with what ever O-rings and cups and what ever else is needed. left shop and they worked good about 10 miles later they were coming on but not fully, just so u know they always come on but not fully.
     
  7. NEWMAN67

    NEWMAN67 Bobtail Member

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    garage told me today that solenoids worked when ecm was unplugged, and tested 12v that way. but the front one did not work when ecm was hooked up and truck running. unplugged harness from ecm and did omhs test and said the wire was ok. what the hell im stumped!
     
  8. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    The terminals inside the connector to the pass through could be weak, or the wiring is partially broken in the harness. This would show ok with an ohm test, but the wiring and/or bad connection cannot pass enough amperage to fully trigger the solenoid. I would run new wires and terminals from the ECM connector to the pass through connector and try again.
     
  9. NEWMAN67

    NEWMAN67 Bobtail Member

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    when he did power probe test on solenoids he probed through the bulk head connection and got them to work but when plugged in to harness the one didn't. so I guess the harness must have a bad spot, kw of Scranton said if ecm was bad this long it would of #### the bed by know, northeast cummins in Syracuse has crew trying to help out waitin to here back.
     
  10. Heavyd

    Heavyd Road Train Member

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    Any decent shop will have a spare test ecm they could plug in to test whether you have an ecm or harness problem. ECM's are too expensive and non returnable to be guessing around. Another thing, some engines have 2 brake solenoids and other have 3. You need to make sure the calibration revision in the ECM is programmed with the correct number of brake solenoids.
     
    NEWMAN67 Thanks this.
  11. NEWMAN67

    NEWMAN67 Bobtail Member

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    Had truck back in shop today. Put new jake harness and pass through connector on which comes as one unit, rewired the three wires from ecm to connector and repinned that harness. Took for a test ride bobtailing and seemed to really grab good, and to remind the oil temp was below 200. Left shop and had to pull a hill rite after leaving shop, got to the other side and put jakes on and it was rite back to the same old crap, and they never came on fully again the rest of the day. All it did was make the truck shake like it has been. Back to square one!!!
     
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