Four Points Of Contact

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  1. FEELTHEWHEEL

    FEELTHEWHEEL Medium Load Member

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    I haul my brother-in-laws' equipment from time to time, (bobcat, loader, backhoe) he only uses two chains and four points of contact on his trailers. Another contractor, a friend of my brother-in-laws' uses four separate chains for each point of contact. Both ways seem to work fine, but what is the best and legal way. I like using 4 separate chains, but two chains get things done much faster. Most of the time it is a short haul within San Diego Co. Fifty miles or less to get to a job site. So if an out of town job comes up, and distance becomes a factor, how should the load be tied down. I've have wetness flatbeds fighting with the wind and steep grades throughout my career, and I started with flatbeds (skateboards) but only local stuff. I will check with the FMCSA and state laws, but I would like to hear some opinions from you OTR flatbed drivers. Also, will adding an extra chain or two help out, or cause more problems depending on which way its pulling the equipment front or back. All the trailers are pulled by a pintle hook, no tractors, just big trucks, 450s and up, and one 10 wheeler dump truck. So, let me know what ya think, Thanks !
     
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  3. kaygirl

    kaygirl Light Load Member

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    when i was delivering tractors and other farm equipment, i always used a seperate chain for each of the 4 points. i copped some flack for that from one of the guys, but i just told him it wasn't his behind on the line if something when wrong. some of the roads around here are pretty rough, and if a chain happened to snap (pretty unlikely, but you never know), i'd prefer to be left with 3 points of contact rather than only 2.
     
  4. Hammer166

    Hammer166 Crusty Information Officer

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    While it's been a few years since I skateboarded, the only time I used two instead of four on wheeled equipment was if I was using the ends of the chain as tailchains, i.e. the center of the chain was slack, which is functionally equivalent to four chains. The new securement rules require four tiedowns on anything over 10K with wheels or tracks.

     
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  5. fuzzeymateo

    fuzzeymateo Heavy Load Member

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    And there's your answer!
     
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  6. macavoy

    macavoy Road Train Member

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    Did they change the wording of this from what it use to be that you say it has to be 4 and not 2 intermittently?

    (1) In addition to the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, heavy equipment or machinery with crawler tracks or wheels must be restrained against movement in the lateral, forward, rearward, and vertical direction using a minimum of four tiedowns.

    Why wouldn't 2 chains = 4 tiedowns if used separately with the slack in the middle? I'm curious because I still primarily use 2 chains and will consider cutting my chains to be compliant.
     
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  7. leftlanetruckin

    leftlanetruckin Road Train Member

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    Correct, 2 chain, 4 binders, slack in the middle of each chain = 4 tie downs. If in doubt as to the validity of this method, a way to prove it is to loosen off one binder, and see if the other binder on the same chain loosens off too. If done right, it wont.
    Those that use 4 full length chains crack me up, there is absolutely ZERO advantage to it vs 2 binders per chain, with slack in the middle of the binder positions. Rookie method maybe? Dunno...

    Martin
     
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  8. BullJockey

    BullJockey Light Load Member

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    Ive ran my chains both ways and have been DOT'd and not one time had an issue running 2 chains using tail ends to meet the "4 tie-down" requirement, not saying I'm legal, more simply stating dot in several diff jurisdictions never questioned my methods of securement!! On my heavy stuff I normally run 5' x 1/2" 100 gr at all corners plus the ratchet binder anyway as well as the articulation point!
     
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  9. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    Need 4 binders if the load is over 10,000#'s but you can use either 2 or 4 chains. It's your choice.

    I use 2 chains/binders on skid steers and forklifts under the 10k limit.

    I purposefully bought six 5/16" chains and cut them in half. So now I have twelve 5/16" x 10' long chains that I use for securing vehicles. Lighter this way and goes much faster. I usually don't even have to hop onto the trailer
     
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  10. BullJockey

    BullJockey Light Load Member

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    SCH I cant remember what 5/16 looks like (LOL)
     
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  11. Blind Driver

    Blind Driver Road Train Member

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    I love my 5/16" chains. I have 6 and 6 3/8" chains that I always use last.

    My 3/8" chains are a few feet shorter then the 5/16" so I can't always split them.
     
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