my logbook violation...question

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by ziggystyles, Mar 1, 2008.

  1. Pur48Ted

    Pur48Ted Road Train Member

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    Putting ONLY the city of your company meets DOT minimum regs, you AREN'T required to list both the address and city. The program (DriversDailyLog) prints the drivers name UNDER the line and it is still necessary to hand sign every stinking page, although DDL does have the capability to insert a digital copy of the drivers signature, but they must be hand signed.
    Funny, all other documents are legal with a digitized signature (warrants, etc), but ours aren't. Whats up wid dat?
     
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    If your "off days" crossed over into another month, you have to start another log sheet. You cannot do multiple off days when it involves a different month.
     
  4. GasHauler

    GasHauler Master FMCSA Interpreter

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    That's not what the FMCSR says, all it says is to list the main office address. A city and a state is not an address. What if you had two terminals in the same city? I know it's picky but I'm sure if the inspector wants to write it up he or she would. See § 395.8 (d) (7). I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, so could you please provide the DOT regulation?
     
  5. Pur48Ted

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    (d) The following information must be included on the form in addition to the grid:
    (d)(1) Date;
    (d)(2) Total miles driving today;
    (d)(3) Truck or tractor and trailer number;
    (d)(4) Name of carrier;
    (d)(5) Driver's signature/certification;
    (d)(6) 24 hour period starting time (e.g., midnight, 9:00 a.m., noon, 3:00 p.m.);
    (d)(7) Main office address;
    (d)(8 ) Remarks;
    (d)(9) Name of co driver;
    (d)(10) Total hours (far right edge of grid); and
    (d)(11) Shipping document number(s), or name of shipper and commodity.

    (f)(9) Main office address. The motor carrier's main office address shall be shown on the form containing the driver's duty status record.


    I can find NO "GUIDANCE" stating that the driver must put the street address as well as the city. I have done it like this for YEARS, because I have been told by Company "Safety/Compliance" as well as DOT Officers that the physical street address of the Carrier isn't necessary.


     
  6. ziggystyles

    ziggystyles Road Train Member

    Thanks everyone for your replies. I knew I was supposed to do it; and I DO finish the grid hours when I hand the logs into the company...sometimes its just that Im in a rush to get rolling and I don't write in the hours, although the lines are drawn and the like. I figured it wouldn't be a problem because all one would have to do is add up the hours and as long as you are legal with the numbers, you are fine...since you can't really change the hours you worked unless you redraw the lines.

    Another thing too is my issue with the multiple day thing where you can use one page for multiple days in the same month as long as they are consecutive. Everyone has been using an example of two days off, well thats just 48 hours, or in the log grids....48 00. How would I write in five days off which is 120 hours...technically that would require five boxes.
    What i mean is that I only have four boxes, two for the hours (since there are 24 hours) and two for the minutes (which for the totals are going to be zerios, but you have enough minutes where you need two grid boxes).

    That is where my multiple day thing came into play as I just don't write in the horus for my multiple days off because after five days, you have 120 hours and you can't fit that into the four boxes. granted, I DONT have five days off normally, but I did twice over the holidays.
     
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    How would I write in five days off which is 120 hours...technically that would require five boxes.
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    Below the graph where you usually draw the line to write the name of your location, you simply write "off duty March 1st thru March 10th 2008" You put 24 at the end of the top line. On the block for the date, you write 3 for March and then 1-10 for the day and then 08 for the year.
     
  8. GasHauler

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    I know it's no big deal but the letter of the law is right there and again what happens if you have two terminals in the same city. We do because down in Los Angeles there's three. The guidance is there, it states the address of the main office. Our logs came printed with the main office address including the zip code, I guess we can just agree to disagree.
     
  9. PigPen

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    i don't know what the exact wording of the regs are, because i'm too lazy to go dig out my lil green book. i've taken as many as 9 days off consecutively and all in one month and on my log sheet for that period i had a line straight across line 1 w/ 2400 in the boxes. at the top i had the start and end dates, and in the remarks box i put off duty, the dates, and the location. i've been checked by several different states dot officers, and never had a log violation for logging multiple off duty days w/ 2400 in the boxes.
     
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    Line 1: OFF DUTY, 24 hours
    On the date line (OR in the remarks) you include the dates of ALL the days off;
    for example
    May 1, 2008
    thru
    May 6, 2008
     
  11. Pur48Ted

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    Well, the regs DO have a "Guidance" in reference to multiple drops in the same city:
    There is NO mention of "address" (or locality) other than city and state, so I would assume that different "terminals" in the same town may not be an issue. All I know is in 15 years, I have NEVER had to put the "street address" on my logs, not even when inspected by DOT officers. I SHOULD NOTE that I got a Level 111 just last month and everything passed. I haven't had a logbook violation in a VERY LONG time, and it wasn't for "not having" the street address on my logs. Why don't we pose this ? to LogsRUs?
     
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