In advance, thanks for the help and also, I know who I work for and if you just have a snide comment, please, just move on. Okay, now on to the problem. About 3 weeks ago upgraded my eaton from the 9 to the 13 speed. It already had the conversion kit installed so just added the two air lines and knob. Prior to that I was averaging in the mid to high 8's on fuel. After it has taken a dump. Example, load from PHX to Fort Stockton, 6k in the box, mpg 7.5 and a tailwind. Now I have replaced the fuel filters, air filter and have already dumped 1 gallon of Howes to see if it helps. For the last 2 weeks, averaging around 6.5-6.9. I do not know what rears I have, (sorry). It is a cummins ISX.
Is there anything else that you can recommend. I did talk to a mechanic and he mentioned that when the conversion was done, if they did not go into the system and re-do the parameters, then it is like the conversion really did not happen. Oh, 2 weeks ago, the ECM was re-calibrated after Cummins finally found what was causing all of my DEF/DPF problems. Some are saying it is because of the cold weather. this is my 3rd winter in the truck, and never have I experienced mpg below 7
thanks again.
Upgraded 9 to 13 speed, MPG takes a dump
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No other hard parts were changed, drive it like you used to and see if it helps.
The only thing that would really change is the final drive ratio if you get an overdrive in high with more OD than you had before. I'm assuming the final auxiliary box that the splitter switches is an OD.
Eaton's suggestion on driving is to ignore the engineers and salespeople and not lug the engine so much.
Hard to say what happened or is happening, when you change one thing and something else changes that you aren't aware of at the same time, it can be hard to pin down.
Also driving in colder than what is normal for you weather can cause problems with mpg. I'm not sure how many miles you have on it or what has been done to it, but there are reasons for the nicknames the ISX has been given. Good luck with it.
I run shorthaul, heavy traffic, lots of arterials, and have to idle for heat or cooling, and was idling more than moving at behest of the guy at the shop, I didn't make 5 on the last fill by calculation. Since no one really keeps track and we get no bonus, I don't really care at this time -
winter fuel makes you lose up to 1 mpg.
if your computer has been recalibrated you may cut your rpm making your engine linger and give you back the same up to a tad better fuel mileage all the way to coasting speeds, however your final ratio is still the same (which would give you the same fuel mileage at coasting speeds as with the 9) but you end up having more parts rotating in your transmission (with the 13). your biggest advantage of your 13 is going up hill (this helps save fuel while climbing) and conserving the engine running in a "sweet spot" -
Thanks. I still drive it the same way, and in fact, I do not split the upper gears unless climbing or in stop and go traffic, 25mph to 45mph and back. If on level ground shift the same old way until I get to 60, then split to OD. It is running at 1400rpm for 65. What is getting me, I am hauling pretty much the same that I was last year in most of the same area, and getting almost 2mpg less. I now have 290k on the truck, and nothing has been done to it other than the conversion and re-calibrating the ECM. I think maybe I need to get it DYNO'd and see what is going on. I am going to also keep trying this Howes and see what happens. Thanks again for the help.
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I'd out of my short knowledge would consider 2 things (and please anyone correct me if I'm shooting blanks)
lighten up your foot as you shift up and use those 4 splits, this keeps you from hitting higher rpms where torque is lower and lower rpms where HP is lower. often called the sweet spot.
I recommend the additive "scheaffer" which I use. It's about $50.00, it treats up to 4000 gallons and it made #6 in the additives testing done by "some" lab.. where the Howes did #12 I believe and Lucas was consider to actually make fuel perform worst. -
Thanks again. I was asking around regarding the treatment, and I was hearing Howes. In all my years of driving, never used a additive before. Just trying whatever comes to mind to get my mpg back up again. As far as idling, really do not do that much. I have the Espar in the truck. When I am upshifting I am shifting at 1600 as far as the low side and about 1400-1500 on the high side (5-6), (12-13).
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this is the link to the diesel testing done on additives.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76.../177728-lubricity-additive-study-results.html -
Thanks Lucar. Did you notice the date of that test, 07 and actually Howes was not that bad, if I read correct. Products 16-19 where worse. Could not believe that I saw used oil on the list. Never would have thought that some one would use that. Like I said, in all my years, never used additive before. I kinda go with what Mechanics recommend, and not those from our shop.
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when you go from the low side to high put your spliter button forward and leave it and it will be the same as your nine speed. top gear is the same gear on that transmission. See if you get your mileage back. if you don't it's not the 13 sp that caused the drop.
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If you really haven't done anything else to it, you might want to try this...
http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...3-cummins-isx-cm871-technical-discussion.html
I know its a long read but you are right at the tune up point, some excellent information in there.
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