OK I do a lot of shipping (for a one person operation) I use the DAT load board because brokers were raking me over the coals and I save at least 500-600 per load now. Im looking to buy a truck and find a driver with some experience who knows what he is doing and doesn't want to work himself to death ( I talk to all you drivers and her complaints about company's trying over work you). Now when I call on trucks I get all kinds of prices, my run is 1450 miles. I have paid 1800 on a 10,000 load to Mcallen Tx. I get price ranges from 2200 to 4000. I all ways try to locate the smaller company's to help out the little guys plus its easier to work with them and the big one's broker it out any way. So what is your process for figuring out the cost of the load? When you look at the rate index I never EVER came close to paying those rates.
2nd where is a good place to find a drivers looking for work (Chicago area)
O/O what are you charging per mile? Im getting crazy ranges and need some explaining?
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if you're paying 1800 bucks on 1450 miles and that 10,000 pounds is a full truckload, you are cheap. no 2 ways about it, and whoever is hauling it for that all in, is a nut.
3500 to 4000 is getting close whay you really need to do is buy a truck and hire a driver and haul your own stuff, when you cant do it for the rate you are paying you will then see what a cheap guy you are. what ya planning on paying the driver ? 8 cents a mile?
you can call yourself "baby chick trucking" cause you are cheep cheep cheepRuthless, mitmaks, insertnamehere and 9 others Thank this. -
Why are you being so nasty to the man? If you were the shipper you would look to spend as little as possible to get the job done.
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LOL ok lets break this reply down Ill go slow because Im not sure of your education level. 1st they always ask what Im paying I always reply with (whats your rate) guys says "Ill do it for 1800" I say when can you pick up? Company has 30 trucks and I always check with him when I have loads so he MUST be the smartest nut in the bunch if he has 30 trucks you dont buy 30 trucks and be a dumb nut. 2nd I have never paid more then 3000 for that trip I usually come in around 2500- 1420miles .40cents per mile (for driver )call it 1450= 580 lets give you bad gas mileage because you want the cool looking truck and say your getting 5 miles per gallon at 3.83 midwest cost 1450/5= 290x3.93= 1,110 you need to get you mpg down but that equals 1690 now maybe the volvo this guy drives get 7mpg which would be 793+580=1373 which he hauls down in a reefer so he can charge more coming up thats on him. but at 2500 with good mpg you at 1,000 for 2 days and your not drving or 1600 an your driving now if you dont maintain your truck and its always breaking down that one you. Im 41 been driving dumps since I was 20 an maintain my equipment and dont mind getting dirty had diesel classes in the USMC so I can fix stuff. I will pay 40 cents a mile to bad I already have my mc # because "baby chick trucking" sounds pretty cool, lol Ok Ive spend to much time on this and need to set up a load my starting bid is 2,500!!!
LOL someone needs to take a economics class.Last edited by a moderator: Jan 26, 2014
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Go buy your truck and hire a driver for it. You will be the one taking a very expensive economics class. Good luck to you.insertnamehere, truckon, SHO-TYME and 3 others Thank this.
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1.Funny reading your comment about education level, then seeing extremely poor grammar, punctuation, and lack of capitalization on your part. 2.You are missing some pretty important numbers in your calculation!!Friday, dunchues, dngrous_dime and 8 others Thank this.
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You already seem to have second-guessed my business model, so why are you asking again? OK, that was below the belt, but you deserve it coming in here like that.
Here's the answer to your original question: You sound like you're soliciting spot rates. That means exactly what it says. You put that load out there, your offers will vary widely depending on market conditions and who calls on it (their specific circumstances/needs). Published contract rates can serve as a ballpark, but that's all since you aren't offering a contract beyond a single load.
One day I might want to be in McAllen, TX to load some good paying produce on my reefer. That day I might give you a friendly rate. Another day I might be ready to go home and don't feel like going to McAllen and then wherever. I'm more likely to knock your head off with my rate, just to put an offer out there even though I really don't want the load. Pay me enough and I'll get over myself wanting to be home in a day and a half.
Also, I don't need to take cheap freight to position trucks. I won't even consider hauling below break-even (a number substantially higher than fuel costs). It's more profitable to move empty. Not on the specific fuel and mileage costs you might like to second-guess in your own spreadsheet. It's also the opportunity cost of getting to a better market and loaded profitably versus sitting somewhere getting endless offers to run at a loss.
You need to quit trying to overthink my business model and focus on yours. You get what you pay for. Fancy equipment isn't the offer. What you should demand at higher rates is better service. On time pickup and delivery with zero claims. Keep taking the low bidder and you won't get all that necessarily. It's simple. Every carrier can offer price, quality, and time. You may pick only two.Friday, insertnamehere, areelius and 5 others Thank this. -
If you have a company with 30 trucks doing it for that rate you should stick with them. You never did say if the 10000lbs was a full truck load.
And from one jarhead to another, I know my grammar sucks but I ain't on here trying to trash people on their education level, your rant was almost incomprehensible. You might wanna fix that before you start throwing out insults like that..........oooooorahdngrous_dime, Shade_Tree, Tobytob and 2 others Thank this. -
You sir are the problem with trucking today....so you think there's no added cost besides fuel and driver pay? insurance, maintenance, taxes, and your equipment just last for ever? I'm sorry but when I got my DOT numbers the FMCSA didn't give me a free truck and trailer to make money with. I spend $1.09 every mile I drive down the hwy $.71/mi of that is just fuel.....so you think it don't cost me anymore money to run than $1.09?
As a owner operator I think im entitled to make more than a company driver @ $.40 a mile as you implemented so my cost if I left it at $.40/mi driver pay would bring my cost up to $1.49/mi that leaves no PROFIT for my company to make...... So drivers like myself would charge you $4,000 on that run going to the hole in the wall with even cheaper rates going out.
I wish it was mandatory that all brokers must own trucks first maybe they would see stuff different!!!!insertnamehere, khans, 281ric and 1 other person Thank this. -
Looks like your first run at it didn't go so good I see that you must of been the guy running that lane for $1,800 hows it working for you now? USDOT# 2466123 [TABLE]
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