spec'ing 53' dry van

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  1. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Looking for composite material lining the walls between logistics posts. Recessed riveting to keep snags down but these crazy forklift drivers still find ways to gouge into the logistics posts holes on my current trailer. Current trailer is plywood lined and rivets get rubbed off. It's flush fitting 1/8" plywood but when rivets get rubbed off they get into plywood and tear/bust holes too. I need the ceiling lined with composite all the way across 8'. Metal racks cubed out inside the trailer, the prongs on top so they can stack them, have a tendency to tear up roof bows not to mention holes getting knocked thru the roof.

    Always slide the tandems to the rear and dump the air out of the bags to mitigate that which works well 99.52% of the time. I need air sliding tandems and a manual dump valve. I don't want the bags dumping every time I set the trailer brakes. Stainless door frame. 8 aluminum wheels. Lo pro 22.5 also looking at disc brakes. Produce vents. That's pretty much it. I look at different manufacturer websites and it appears they have cookie cutter trailers you can order. Is it possible for a guy ordering one trailer to pick what they need to every detail on specs? I'm guessing it's almost a certainty they'd want a large chunk down on a non-standard order? Undecided on metal roof versus fiberglass. Current fiberglass is quick and easy to patch any holes. I can pop rivet metal but how the heck do you seal it so as not to leak? A buddy says get metal.
     
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  3. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    While the initial cost isn't that great I wonder what the maintenance cost compared to savings is? On straights they add them but that is because they can increase capacity and get tractor expedite rates and that pays for it.

    All the major carriers are going to spring ride trailers to avoid maintenance of airbags. Wondering if this system would add to that compared to the savings. I would think you could get better results with Super Singles.
     
  4. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    I'd need some help DIY would not know how to plumb anything. It's a great idea though. Doubt the return would be there by the time I get rid of my old one. Last thing I'm doing to it is drums and shoes before years end then replace a few plywood panels and it's going up for sale.

    Just opened that PDF instructions and all. Still not worth it to upgrade what i have.
     
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  5. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Supersingles are on the table but i tend to lean towards 8 regular tires. Definitely would carry a spare supersingle mounted to avoid a $1,300 tire failure. I already carry a mounted spare 22.5 now so that's nothing. Advantage I see there versus duals your tread depth on the spare needs to be close to the same as the tire it's next to longer term. New tread next to something with 5/32's don't work so well after too long. Supersingle tread depth doesn't matter but I still just dunno about the whole super single thing. How much fun are they to mount? I do the tire work. I know I'd never run them on the tractor but they may be what I go with on trailer. One other spec I left off is meritor self inflating tire system.

    Spring ride is not an option I could take. There are expedited loads out there that are air ride trailer only. I've hauled a bunch of them and also recovered where the previous carrier was rejected for spring ride trailer.
     
  6. 281ric

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    I was quoted about $900 from Utility for a lift axle
     
  7. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

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    Amazing all those specs and didn't answer about kick panels. From what I've seen regardless what you have there it gets torn up. And yeah if that metal gets curled down it can cause trailer rejection at a paper mill. Which brings me to info a member who's spec'd and bought many new trailers pm'd some very helpful advice. Crossmember spacing is important I'm not looking to save weight there. I have hauled concentrated small space heavy loads. I don't need to be able to load a metal coil but I do need closer crossmembers. While most of my loads are light I do occasionally haul 45,600 lb loads. Can and have actually scaled 47,000 with my current utility. I need flexibility there.
     
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  8. Dozerdude

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    There's a thread on the flatbed side how to do a manual lift. I think separate dump valves and a ratchet strap would do the trick. Good luck!
     
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    The compost skuff boards are really tough . Double cross members will make the floor last almost forever.
     
  10. pullingtrucker

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    Trust me if you have the money the builders will do whatever you want. If you are in doubt about that just call Eby Trailers in Blue Ball, PA. They manufacture their own line of livestock and grain trailers along with selling Great Dane. I know of 4 guys that have bought trailers from them and are speced like you can't believe.

    As for the lift axle set up...Hendrickson makes a decent setup that has the lift axle switch enclosed in a stainless box. I currently run this set up with load gauge and manual dump valve installed in the box also. The nice thing about the Hendrickson valve is from the factory it is set up for a in cab switch too. Don't worry about replumbing a suspension since it is pretty straightforward. Plus if I can do one in a hour or so you should have no issues.
     
  11. haycarter

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    The Trailers I have with lifts don't seem to have any measurable extra R&M costs.
    But the Payback period really only suits O/Os & small fleet Operators. who keep the gear for a fairly long period of time (as apposed to fleets who turn things over every 4-5 yrs.).
    Bill, that's interesting, re the resurgence of Spring Suspensions.
    I can't see It happening here in Aus.
    Mainly because if your truck & trailer suspension are certified "road friendly" you can (legally) carry a bit extra weight.. So far only air suspensions have been certified "road friendly" (with the exception of I think, Scania) Same deal with the super singles,(can't get the higher weights with them). they're still used a bit with tankers & fridge vans mainly because you can have the Springs/airbags further apart. (which effectively lowers the centre of gravity).
    From My experience with Super Singles tyre rotation is critical for long tyre life, & this doesn't seem to happen as often as it should on Fleet trailers..
     
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