california crap

I was trying to figure out his math as well. 10 dollars a night adds up to more than 3 grand over a year so there really is no savings.

 

Over 34 states have some regulations, I am certain that in time it will be all states will have some regulations. Here is one list I found with a simple google search

http://www.atri-online.org/research/idling/ATRI_Idling_Cab_Card.pdf

As far as the savings go, there is more than one report, but here is another one...


http://www.scdhec.gov/environment/baq/docs/ModelOrdinances/TruckstopElectrification.pdf

basically it says... " a truck idling 8 hrs a day for 300 days a year with fuel at $4/gallon would cost a trucker $7600. If the truck stop charged $1 hr hour hook up fee that would cost the driver $2400 (8x300x1). so $7600 - 2400 = $5200 saving per truck. A truck stop would make money on this because electricity can be had for 10 cents per kilowatt hour, which is probably about all you would need.

I know lots of people don't like wiki, but trust me there are many other articles that say similar things, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-idling look down at the technology section, and I quote, " Normally, private companies provide and regulate either system and can charge an hourly rate for services, typically around $1.00-$2.00 an hour.Both of these options can generate revenue for truck stop operators, and decrease operating expenses for truckers relative to the cost of diesel fuel. The cost of electricity to provide overnight power to trucks can save up to $3,240 of fuel that would normally be consumed by idling per parking space. Truck stop electrification can allow truck drivers to abide local idling regulations and reduce noise to neighboring establishments.[SUP]"[/SUP]

 

My point was "States". There is no other form of communist CARB/EPA enforcement like the State of CA. There are ordinances in various counties or cities around the country, but they do not stem from state line to state line like California does. Have not been to NJ/NY/PA in a few years & know they had signs posted, but nothing much in terms of enforcement/compliance.

As far as the electric hook up goes, have you seen truck stop pricing on ANYTHING?

For the record, my truck rarely idles for heat/cooling. Maybe 5 to 6 nights or days per year. This winter was a couple more nights due to extreme cold weather. But would not on average pay for the electricity nor can offset a $10,000 APU.

Never used idle air either, they filed bankruptcy a time or two due to no one paying for it in normal weather. Have no idea about the service good bad or different. Trucks pay full out inflated retail pricing on EVERYTHING, there are no discounts. Just think where the price of diesel would be without the intrusion of the EPA over the last ten years? Can't blame the middle east for our rules on that.

This planet has been through far worse than trucks, but if you are curious, go buy yourself one & let us know how much you want to kick in to saving the air at that point.

 

We Cali driver,I meant ,I am happy that Cali enforced it,the sooner the better,I invest to much money on my rig and trailer compliance for Cali.the load will sky rocket ,
I know I did couple load.the sooner ,we Cali o/ o,more load for who is carb compliance.yeah,,,,,

 

Huh?

 

That is why I have a business to back it up ..if u business Man U gotta have optional

 

I heard from some people that i know that work for big corps in Cali that their is a big company that has political power in Cali, which they are trying to keep small businesses/competition out and do a monopoly system. They introduce this all "smart way system" and "clean idle idea" and all these trailer "aerodynamics idea"

thinking your business and freight will go up, keep dreaming. It might go up for a couple of years but 10 years from now, everyone will have a clean idle truck. just check out how cheap Pro stars are now in days. But reality is that their always someone moving cheap freight and their will always be emission delete on any diesel vehicle.

 

Well, I am pretty much done with this discussion, but I have a couple of last items to add. My original post said that new trucks should be required to have an electrical hookup, not an APU. I am sure that manufacturing a truck so that it could plug into the electrical grid would not make the cost of a new truck go up by $10,000. You make a good point about truck stop pricing, that is why the electrical rates would need to be regulated, just like they are at your home. Like it or not, when someone has a monopoly on a vital service the rates charged can be controlled by the government. I don't know if you guys are pulling my leg here, or have never been in what is usually a poorer neighborhood near a port where the people have to breath the air, but I don't really see how anyone can logically oppose requiring trucks to have electrical hookups and forcing ports and truck stops to provide power for those hookups. Honestly why would you oppose it? The truck stops could make money, the trucker could save money and you would be polluting a lot less, and you could have all the power you want to run any electrical device you wanted What is not to like?

 

Back to the original thread. Reading the posted article about possible changes at the April meeting doesn't seem to change much if anything for the one truck, one driver owner operator. I have been in touch with several of our drivers who have equipment legal for California since Jan 1 2014, and the consensus is that there are lots of non-compliant vehicles, many of them based in California still hauling freight, buying fuel and parking at truckstops, etc. The anecdotal evidence is business as usual, just don't get caught. That would explain why no shortage of vehicles to move freight. And those companies requiring a CARB certificate before the will load you, I am thinking that is the cert for the trailer, if it is a refrig trailer and/or the 2010 requirement for either aerodynamic devices or DPF filters on the reefer. But I could very well be wrong on that....

 

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