RV hauling

Discussion in 'Expediter and Hot Shot Trucking Forum' started by rstrome, Nov 30, 2013.

  1. warmshot

    warmshot Bobtail Member

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    Here's a dumb question from a confused newbi. 70hrs in 8 days-US, 70hrs in 7 days Canada with a 34 and 36 hr reset. What does that mean, and how many hrs do you have to be off in between? Thanks and I realize this is probably self-explanatary but nobody gives you this information.
     
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  3. tarponinternet

    tarponinternet Bobtail Member

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    11 hours of driving max
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    14 hours of on duty. So from the time you start in the morning, no matter how many breaks you take, how much not driving time or driving time you have, 14 hours later you need to be parked and off duty for the next 10 hours.
    There is no split sleeper berth time anymore.
    14 hours of on duty time + 10 hours of off duty time = 24 hours
     
  4. FuzzFace2

    FuzzFace2 Medium Load Member

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    To add to this

    The way I was told you can only drive for 11 hours. Those 11 hours of driving has to be in the 14 hours of on duty time and NEVER after the 14 on duty without 10 consecutive hours of off time.
    The 14 hours start when you go on duty and no, off duty time does NOT stop that 14 hour clock till you are off for 10 consecutive hours.
    As I said you cannot drive after 14 hours of on duty time but you can still be on duty NOT DRIVING after the 14 hours.

    So you can start your shift driving for 11 hours (on duty driving) then stop and be on duty not driving (on duty not driving) for 8 hours (total of 19 hours) and still be legal as you were not driving more than 11 hours and the 11 hours did not happen after your 14 hour. You can NOT drive again till you have 10 consecutive hours of off time or your 34 hour rest set as that has the 10 consecutive hours of off time in it.

    This you cannot do: On duty not driving 4 hours>On duty driving 11 hours (total 15 hours) as you would be braking the 14 hour rule by driving pass your 14 hours.
    In school that was a fun class to figure out the bad logs from good and what rules were broken. Oh and the 30 min rest in the first 8 hours rule would get you at times too ;)
    Dave ----
     
  5. tarponinternet

    tarponinternet Bobtail Member

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    The way it was put to me was: You can not work more than 14 hours. You start work at 06:00 and at 20:00 hours you are done, period, do not show any other time on your log other than off duty or sleeper berth.
     
  6. JChors

    JChors Medium Load Member

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    I get calls from drivers about this stuff all the time. I'll try to summarize in plain talk.

    Your 14 hr clock begins the moment you return to duty, usually after a 10 hour break or 34 hr restart. I start my shift with a 15 minute pre-trip inspection, so the 14 hr clock is already running. You can only stop the 14 hr clock two ways: by taking 8 consecutive hours off if you're splitting your shift (I show sleeper berth), or by taking 10 consecutive hours off (can be a combination of sleeper berth and off-duty time).

    You must not drive without first taking a 30 minute break after 8hrs of on-duty/driving time (lines 3 & 4) have elapsed. You may take that break at any time in the first 8 hrs, but if you take it before 3hrs of on-duty/driving time have elapsed, you may need to take a second 30 minute break 8 hours later, depending on how long your work day is. I keep it simple by breaking sometime after 3hrs have elapsed.

    Once you have driven 11 hours in a shift, or bumped your 14 hours, whichever comes first, you can no longer drive until you have completed another 10 hour break, except when splitting. I wont go into details on shift-splitting as the government has made it needlessly confusing for many drivers. I use it all the time, but it's not as beneficial now as it was before the hours of service rewrite. And yes, tarponinternet, it's still legal to split your shift. So, even if you have bumped your 11 or 14 hr clocks, you may continue to "work" for as long as you wish, but not drive, on line 4 (on duty, not driving). You will still be required to take a 10 hr break before you may drive again. I say anyone who is required to lump or tailgate a load after a long day of driving should start looking for another job immediately :)

    I hope that helps.

    edit: Here's the answer to your question, warmshot. 70 hours in 8 days is just like it sounds. You may only continue to drive until you have spent your allocated 70 hours of driving and on-duty time within any 8-day period. Just like with the 11 and 14 hour rules, the 70 hour rule does not prohibit you from continuing to "work" in a non-driving capacity once the 70 hours have elapsed. However, doing so will reduce the recapped hours (the hours you get back from the 8th day) available to you the next day.

    The 34 hour rule allows a driver to get his 70 hours back (hours used reset to zero) if he takes 34 consecutive hours off-duty, and that 34 hour period occurs during at least two periods of 1am-5am (basically two overnite periods. I know, crazy), and the 34 hour period must have started at least 7 full days (168 hours) after the last 34 hour restart was completed. I won't touch Canadian laws, but i'm guessing it's similar in procedure with different hours.
     
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  7. Ridgeline

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    A little correction, maybe I'm reading this a bit wrong but there is no on-duty issue with the 30 minute break, just drive time is the measure. I understand the need for it, many don't but it is good to have. However it can be within the first 30 minutes of your drive time, the first four hours - as long as it is before that 8 hour mark. I like the 3 hour break idea and to add to it, a driver can take a few breaks nothing stopping them.
     
  8. JChors

    JChors Medium Load Member

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    Ridgeline, I thought the exact same thing when the 8 hour rule came out. I was wrong. Here is the interpretation by JJ Keller:

    "As of July 1, 2013, the driving of a property-carrying CMV is not permitted if more than 8 consecutive hours have passed since the end of the driver’s last rest break of at least 30 consecutive minutes."

    This includes the driver's last 10 hour rest break. This means that from the moment a driver goes on duty (usually to do a pre-trip) the 8 hour rule begins concurrently with the 14 hour rule. If this were not the case and the on-duty, not driving time was excluded, a driver could hypothetically work 6 hours on the dock, then immediately drive for 8 hours consecutively, thus working a 14 hour shift without any break. I know that's an extreme example, but it's the reason why the 8 hour rule includes lines 3 & 4.
     
  9. Ridgeline

    Ridgeline Road Train Member

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    OK I see where I'm reading it wrong, you are right. From the regs themselves -

    Rest breaks. After June 30, 2013, driving is not permitted if more than 8 hours have passed since the end of the driver's last off-duty or sleeper-berth period of at least 30 minutes.

     
  10. FlyBoyEZR

    FlyBoyEZR Bobtail Member

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