Brokers - your negotiations

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by rollin coal, Oct 7, 2014.

  1. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

    12,529
    23,849
    Mar 29, 2008
    TN
    0
    Had a couple of calls this morning on some loads to Texas. Gave the standard reply - not interested in loads to Texas. Both brokers said thanks and bye. Ever so often when I tell someone I'm not interested they keep pushing, but not often. Sometimes they have money and we end up making a deal on what initially I just rejected out of hand. And sometimes we don't make a deal. My point being why even bother to call if you're not going to try a little harder to make a deal? Got an email earlier giving load details and asking for a rate. I laid out what I expected for detention (cause I think there's a good chance of it) and a decent rate. A rate above what is considered a going rate. And we both know that. We also know it's not too far off the realm. But still no come back. Not even going to counter. Sometimes I'm not negotiable and sometimes I will be. But why waste the effort if you aren't going to try and push the load? If you don't ask you'll never know. edited: if the shoe was on the other foot I'd do the same thing they do. Listen for clues of a cheap carrier and move on quickly when I didn't hear them. That's just how it goes....
     
    Last edited: Oct 7, 2014
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. truckerguru1

    truckerguru1 Bobtail Member

    33
    25
    Aug 19, 2014
    0
    Not sure what your point is.
     
  4. icsheeple

    icsheeple Trailing the Herd

    2,548
    2,550
    Nov 1, 2013
    Kansas City, KS
    0
    Lol, I get calls from agents all day long about loads already on the load board. I usually know what they are calling about because I've already read the load alert email. I screen the call with google voice. Sometimes I'll answer in while they are leaving a voicemail and ask if they can pay more. It's kind of funny the answers you get. Sometimes I have to remind them, that they called me when they get a little frustrated with my persistent need to actually make a living...
     
    double yellow and BoyWander Thank this.
  5. BoyWander

    BoyWander Road Train Member

    1,411
    2,125
    Jul 22, 2011
    Michigan
    0
    Believe you me...brokers know the situation that's happening and will only get worse - capacity is tightening up in relation to loads being shipped.

    Not saying that it's a gold mine out there, but there is a lot more opportunity to make extra on loads. Brokers need capacity, and the ones that have the available capacity are the ones that are going to climb the ladder.

    I also think it's a good idea for carriers to start thinking about forming closer relations with brokers.

    Brokers are starting to come under extreme pressure to find that truck before the other broker does. Sometimes it's not all about price, but availability. I am thinking a shipper will start going more and more often with the first broker to find a truck, period, if the price is at least reasonable. And the brokers that get those loads are the ones that will stay in business. So form relationships with the good ones, and the bad ones will be left without capacity and thus the business.

    With rates rising and capacity tightening, shippers are expecting better and better customer service from both brokers and carriers, to make up for the extra they have to pay to move the load. So give your favorite brokers the capacity, and they will be the ones with loads more and more often.

    Shhhh...you didn't hear this from me.

    And if a load to Texas is paying well and you happen to get it, why not? I think I would be getting bored doing the same lanes over and over again like you, Rollin Coal, I'd be itching to go somewhere else, but that's me :p When I was new back in 2005 I begged my dispatcher to try and get me to Arizona. After a few months of being dependable, she was able to make that happen for me and I was ecstatic. I really enjoyed the variety of places I got to go to, and I felt like a prisoner in the truck when they had me jumping around a 5 state area for months on end.
     
    double yellow Thanks this.
  6. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

    12,529
    23,849
    Mar 29, 2008
    TN
    0
    I'm only against going to Texas on prevailing rates. They just aren't enough. So I assume anyone offering such ain't got much to offer and I just dismiss it, even when they say they have good money on it (yeah right lol). What I'm looking for is a broker to challenge me when I say I don't go somewhere. I get it they don't have the money or can get a truck at a better rate most times. But at least try to sell the load. Most of them don't even try.
     
  7. BoyWander

    BoyWander Road Train Member

    1,411
    2,125
    Jul 22, 2011
    Michigan
    0
    lol....reminds me of those "demotivational posters".
     
  8. icsheeple

    icsheeple Trailing the Herd

    2,548
    2,550
    Nov 1, 2013
    Kansas City, KS
    0
    I'm currently having trouble getting out of Texas on a decent enough rate. I've just gotten lucky in the past and always made a quick turn around at $2 per mile to the truck. It seems the rates in are ok, then all you find is more going south, until you get all the way to Mexico. I thought I had one earlier but the shipper cancelled. I hate to say it but I might take this cheap load tomorrow I got my eye on, should clear about .17 CPM.
     
    ChromeNut Thanks this.
  9. moraramis

    moraramis Light Load Member

    224
    253
    Aug 2, 2014
    Arkansas
    0
    I've been load planning for O/O ICs with their own authority for 10 years now, and I've seen lanes that were gold get turned to absolute crap once a low wage outfit gets on board. Before I came onto this forum I used to outright hate company drivers that moved cheap freight for their carriers, because I saw first hand the damage they do with each load. Its same concept as construction contractors always getting under bid by contractors that hire illegal aliens. Eventually the contractor that pays his people a living wage has to stop doing that, or they have to get out of the contracting business. Between federal regulations and profitable lanes getting ran into the ground by low wage outfits moving freight that barely pays the fuel costs, O/O's are getting squeezed tighter and tighter with each year.

    I'm glad I've been able to keep the wheels turning for my 11 clients, but i'm not optimistic about the future at all.
     
    EverLuc Thanks this.
  10. icsheeple

    icsheeple Trailing the Herd

    2,548
    2,550
    Nov 1, 2013
    Kansas City, KS
    0
    I hear ya. In other cases I've been able to take a good paying load with a long deadhead. Even though I cleared about the same it just feels wrong to haul cheap freight.
     
    double yellow Thanks this.
  11. RedForeman

    RedForeman Momentum Conservationist

    4,867
    22,119
    Jan 30, 2011
    0
    If you're not dropping a hint that you're open to negotiate, then you're equally to blame for the call ending quickly. But then, you knew that already LOL.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.