driving over the limit, need help!

Depending on the seriousness and frequency. It could easily top $10K.

It's not cheap at all.

However, they could just write them up. And place them on an audit list. Then check the books again at a later date. Of course, the fines are steeper for the second audit.

Truthfully, you're only going to get the personal satisfaction of "trying". The only result you may see, a bad referance.

 

Danc694u

I don't think the Florida law can relax the FMCSR rules - they'd only come into play if he wasn't a CDL holder. So he's bound by FMCSR/DOT.

So, from what I see, he's not required to LOG, but he's still bound by the 11 hour drive limit (and the 16-hour once a week work limit)

Do I have that right, Logs?

 

You're right, he is bound by those rules. When he steps outside his states jurisdiction. But...

He's intrastate, not to be confused with interstate, so he can use FL laws. So long as he doesn't cross the state line.

He will need to log the trips. Miami is over 300 miles from J'ville. And his weight class puts him in that catagory.

While I haven't read the entire FL manual. The posted changes within their website are stricter than the old ones. And make no reference to being restricted to one day of 16 hr duty status per week.

They also allow an intrastate driver to use a 24 hr reset, rather than the Federal 34 hr reset.

 

WOW! Someone has told me

You are right! I don't think about the other states and don't know them regulations (although I should) l.o.l. But yeah you are right , I read it GOOD JOB!

 

Sounds like he lost a good paying job already so the point is moot now. Kinda funny how intrastate drivers get to use different rules than the interstate drivers.

A 12 hour day on average and home each day in this economy was a heluva deal. A 16 hour day once in a while would be fine by me too. I know lots of otr drivers that would love that job!

 

Yeah really whats the difference between him running into the back of a car being fatigue than it is you? He has to deal with more traffic in most cases and more frustration as to the driver on the interstate steady pace. Not saying you don't have to deal with traffic and but heads . but you see what I am saying. 16 hour days of it. I can't handle the 30 minute drive in my 4 wheeler l.o.l.

 

Easy there logs. I know you have never driven a big truck and despite your empathy you will never understand until you have.

Drivers will do what it takes to be home each day with their families. If a driver has a choice between otr and being gone for weeks at a time or runing 12, 14, or even 16 hours a day to make the same or even more money AND be home each day to enjoy the fruits of their labors then thats what they will do.

I like you logs but when it comes to the mind of a driver and the actual job from a drivers perspective you are sorely lacking.

Please stick to what you know; regs.

 

I wasn't talking about "drivers" I was talking about the regulations. Allowing local drivers to work 16 hours and otr drivers can only work 14 hours. What's the difference when a local driver is consitantly dealing with traffic issue's and stop lights etc. That's what I am talking about and yeah I don't need to drive to know the difference between a local driver (and their dealings) and an otr driver and their dealings.

Both are the same to me and regs should really be the same regardless of state regs! Unless you are in a state that has no traffic then I would say it could be different

Oh and I like you to, you # least challenge me l.o.l.

 

You have valid points and think from a legal perspective as is expected based on your position.

I on the other hand am a trucker. I do what it takes whenever necessary to get the job done. Am I 100% legal all the time? NOPE. Am I liar? YUP. Anyone that chooses to drive a truck for a living will soon learn to work the system.

Keep your innocence Logs (I like you better that way anyway).

Here is the truth from a rogue. HOS are a joke. Log books are a farce. Law enforcement officers are hypocrits with guns and in my estimation revenue agents for their master.

Truckers are the back bone of our American society. We travel in weather and conditions that most civilians would not even attempt, yet we do this every day. We drive more miles in 1 day than most 4 wheelers will drive in a week. We do this for a paycheck and the challenge.

Now factor in the local municipalities politicians that cannot seem to manage their local budgets from their tax base so they hire "revenue agents (aka law enforcement)" to exact said shortfall from truckers traveling through their area. Towns and states around the country count on us to prop up their budgets.

All over the place ain't I?

Well let me tie it together.

Truckers are fiercely independant and most resist any kind of interference from any entity that inhibit our ability to earn a paycheck and provide for our families back home. This is where the "do what it takes to get the job done attitude comes into play." That applies to cops, DOT, and log auditors.

Many of us resent the current HOS restrictions. We do not want the government regulating when we work, for how long, or how much we can earn. So with this understanding you may now see why many drivers will "alter" their logbooks to permit them more time to complete their jobs. This is actually a big part of why drivers want to become owner operators.

Lets not forget the hours physicians at our hospitals are compelled to work. Wheres the government when it comes to regulating "tired doctors?"

This country was founded with a spirit of hard work and independance. Kinda flies in the face of all the current regs.

We are all adults here. We decide what is right and what is wrong each day based on the circumstances at hand. I believe I have enough "common sense" to pull over when I am tired and actually resent the government intrusion into my ability to earn a living.

Although I enjoy being an otr driver I do like the idea of a local job and would gladly put in 14 to 16 hours a day to be home even if it was against the current HOS.

Ok now you can yell at me Logs. I am a BAAAAAD BOY and BAAAAD influence. Go ahead say it.



P.S. I did not address your accident scenario because it does not apply. Accident statistics are too easily manipulated based on what answer you want going in. There is in fact very little correlation for accident numbers going up in the 10th 11th or 12th hour of driving. Besides we all know car drivers are the primary cause to big truck accidents over all. 75% in the last study If my memory serves.