Will Wage and Hour Rumbles... Affect You?

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by Victor_V, Nov 3, 2014.

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  1. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    Thank you.

    My first year of trucking I made about $32k gross. My second year I made roughly $40k gross, I say roughly because I had 3 jobs in 2013 until I found my current niche and love working where I do.

    I'm on par to make about $55k gross for my 1st year of hauling fuel. For me, that's #### good money! Haha. Sure, I work long hours every week, but again, I don't look at it hourly, I look at it in total. I recently had my 1st check that was $1,000+ net pay. It's a goal I've been striving for since I started.


    Anyway, I know most of yall know where I stand on the topic at hand.
     
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  3. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    Maybe you and G/MAN could start a thread...

    Good idea there. You're both mostly talking to each other!

    We know where you stand and it doesn't matter. Say it and move on.........>>>>>>>>
     
  4. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    Funny how you start on a topic then throw a tantrum when people have opposing ideas and views.

    I'm going to keep commenting seeing as we are all having some type of Input in this discussion.

    Just because you don't like the content doesn't mean we need to go somewhere else. I'll comment and if someone wants to reply to my statement then I'll continue to discuss things with them.
     
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  5. rearview

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    Maybe we need to look at how drivers are paid a different way.

    Drivers are paid HHG type predetermined miles like pro miles or mcnally. Some are paid actual hub miles. Some drivers are paid percentage.

    The disagreement seems to be that the HHG driver agrees to be paid HHG wages and does not deserve more pay because they accept that as "the contract". Truth is this type of work is not really a mileage job but a percentage job. The mileage pay is predetermined. Point A to B is in the computer as paying X to the driver. Driver mileage cost is always X, which is a flat Y% of gross no matter what driver makes the trip. The arguement for this is fixed driver expense or percent of cost.

    If one argues against being paid to fuel, a logical extension is no one should be paid to fuel because it is not a job. The cost of the local gas jockey in Oregon to the station owner is now taken away, which of course means the owner will no longer have a gas jockey because because most normal citizens don't work for free. The only arguement to back up free labor is the driver working for a percentage of the load.

    This 2 hour rule comes from some wagon wheel driver being desperate for a load. He got the load and we have all been paying for it ever since. You can bet the warehouse guy was thinking to himself what a Melvin Dumas that driver was to work for free. Most of us get the sense the warehouse worker is thinking the same thing today. Not very many jobs out there where you are expected to represent the company to the customer for free. Unless you are paid a percentage which brings us back to the last paragraph.

    People in almost every job in the country get paid for two 10 minute breaks a day. To say that this concept is outside of normalcy raise the question have drivers divorced themselves from society so much that the normal world is alien to them?

    Gmans approach, which I understand from the business viewpoint, is to maximize profit to the business. That is a healthy way to think to grow a business. His thinking is you get your percentage of the load.

    The other side of the coin is drivers should be paid for all work.

    Is percentage, even if it is called mileage sufficient pay for work? It probably depends on how much a driver earns. If your being paid for 1500 miles a week and spending 20 plus hours on the dock your feeling you are getting screwed over.

    So what is fair pay. If you drive 1500 miles and spend 20 hours on the dock but earn $1000 a week is that fair pay?

    I don't know anymore.

    I remember in the 70s I was earning $600 a week driving truck. In the 80's I was earning $1200. The 90s were $1200 along with the 2000s. Now in the 2010s I am fighting to stay above $1000.
     
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  6. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    It's not the content, DrtyDiesel... it's your irrelevance.

    You're entitled to your view and to express it.

    Not ad nauseum. You're happy with your pay the way you have it. Fine.

    No one's asking you to move to California.

    When you and G/MAN protest so about it's okay drivers not get paid for their time, like other workers, that's the way it should be, who wants to get paid to go on break sounds more like you'd like to stifle this thread.

    Maybe that's your problem...
     
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  7. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    Not sure how posting about past fuel prices is relevant either.

    No one is asking me to move to cali, but you're going to sit here and say "it's coming to the rest of the industry, get ready". Pretty much making an assumption that everyone else is going to follow. Sorry, but I don't see it happening at all.
     
  8. rearview

    rearview Medium Load Member

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    How is that not relevant?

    And why are you attacking me for my contribution?

    I do not know you, never met you so why attack me as irrelevant?

    Perhap you should read what I posted with an open mind and actually read what I said.

    For the record, If I dont get paid for all duties I dont roll.
     
  9. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    I think he may have been referring to my post.
     
  10. Victor_V

    Victor_V Road Train Member

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    You've said that.

    Nice to read rearview.

    Did you read rearview??


    //Sorry rearview. Liked your post. A lot. It popped while I was responding to DrtyDiesel. I'll edit to clarify.
     
  11. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    Yes I read his post.
     
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