Will Wage and Hour Rumbles... Affect You?

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  1. DrtyDiesel

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  3. Victor_V

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    We're talking about California distinguishing 'piece-rate' work from 'non-piece-rate' work and requiring at least minimum wage for non-piece-rate work.

    For example: http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=83876379-e013-4d32-8afa-b1e65eb869c4

    Expect notices to go out sometime after Jan 9, 2015 to affected Con-way employees that Con-way will pay for pre- and post-trip inspection time, paperwork completion and first hour of wait time. Attorneys fees. And probably something extra to prove Con-way's sorry for ripping off its employees...
     
  4. G/MAN

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    This isn't about this particular case, but does involve California and raising minimum wage to unrealistic levels. I thought you might find it interesting reading, Victor. It demonstrates what will happen when the government and unions try to force unreasonable labor costs on industry.

    [h=1]How McDonald’s is About to Destroy the Minimum Wage[/h] Posted on November 6, 2014 by V2A


    The end of the era of Minimum Wage may soon be at hand. McDonald’s has begun experimenting with automated cashiers as a way to eliminate some of the staff that would be necessary to run their restaurants.
    If the news (being reported from several sources) is accurate, this could essentially end the debate over the minimum wage, as most minimum wage owners work in the fast food industry. A user on Reddit is reporting that McDonald’s has begun testing the automated cashiers at their store in Romeoville, Illinois.
    “I believe this store is in Romeoville, IL. It’s next door to their Innovation Center. This McDonald’s is actually pretty unique. First of all it’s owned by McDonald’s, it’s not a franchise. Second, this is the store where McDonald’s tests all the new technology. New griddle? It gets tested here first. New ordering monitors, new deep fryer, all tested here first. If it doesn’t work here, they don’t offer it to their franchisees. They test everything in this store for YEARS before it gets mass produced so they’re sure it works well and is cost-effective.


    Read more at http://visiontoamerica.com/19452/ho...destroy-the-minimum-wage/#yTmT8LbCYmKHm6jk.99
     
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  5. Victor_V

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    Since you want (nay, insist) to stick around, Diesel, rearview said:

    Apparently you think we're all Melvin's who should work for free! Eh? You don't hear the chuckling behind your back? Oh, that's right. You're paid on percentage, after all. It's all the rest of OTR that are a bunch of Melvin's...

    Apparently California simply won't allow drivers to be treated as Melvins any more. Second-class citizens, not.
     
  6. Victor_V

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    Ah, G/MAN, almost, almost forgot about you. There's a Philly convenience chain, I'll think of the name in a minute, has automated order stations and you can get the most complex subs in the world. Drinks, latte's, etc. It's great. More people making stuff, fewer people taking orders. Beats standing in line. Have 5 or 6 terminals and almost always one's free. Great food.

    It's just better service and you talk to preparer directly. Funny name, that chain, maybe someone can help me out before I remember.
     
  7. DrtyDiesel

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    LOL, what are you even talking about?

    If you're talking about getting out and unloading/loading a trailer but doing it for free the 1st 2 hours, then I would not agree with not being paid for that work.

    If you're talking about being backed against a door for two hours while you sit and do nothing or go to the sleeper and take a nap, then no, you shouldn't get paid.

    I don't think anyone is a "Melvin"... whatever that means. Me being paid percentage has nothing to do with what you seem to be blabbering about. I was also OTR before, so it's not like I don't know what goes on out there. I ain't saying anyone is a "melvin", I had these SAME EXACT beliefs when I was OTR.
     
  8. Victor_V

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    I know you can read but I wonder if you comprehend.

    Please re-read msg 202, this page. See if you can parse that.

    Can you explain what it means? Piece-rate work vs non-piece-rate work?
     
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    I guess I need it broken down into simpler terms.

    I take it Piece rate would be getting paid for unloading/loading

    non piece rate would be everything else you're on duty for but not driving?
     
  10. Victor_V

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    You're too much. Really, really, too much.
     
  11. Ridgeline

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    You know I think this is a reversal of the Gonzalez v downtown la motors decision.

    Because in that case, the company was alright when it had a mechanic paid for the piece work (fixing a car), which included the paper work, prep of the vehicle to work on it and any other job related functions (regulated or non-regulated).

    However the problem was when there was non-peice work being done while waiting for a primary job (fixing a car) the mechanics did other things (standing around playing with brooms) and the compensation for that work was rolled into the back end of the pay cycle to equalize the pay above minimal wage which was wrong and the court said it was.

    I can't see how the court could come to a reasonable conclusion that pre/post trip inspections, paper work and so on which is a direct responsibility of the driver and direct part of the job for any driver in any capacity dictated by regulations/laws and company policy (which I know isn't important). It seems the judge(s) are not seeing what driving entails. Unlike the Schneider case you cited (which is wrong to include a customer of Schneider), this isn't just about indirect job functions like loading and unloading trailers but the entire function of a driver is now split up to the point that we will have a mess.
     
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