Three million + safe miles doesn't matter??

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by OriginalBigfoot, Nov 19, 2014.

  1. RecruiterMike

    RecruiterMike Bobtail Member

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    Thanks for a reasonable and balanced response . . .
     
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  3. RecruiterMike

    RecruiterMike Bobtail Member

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    I can tell you that companies are less concerned about a driver knowing what an "S cam" is vs. a driver not violating HOS, or proper placarding, or anything else that's covered in orientation . . . If S cam knowledge was what companies were looking for, that's what they'd cover in orientation.

    You don't have to like it, and you can be mad at that statement . . . but don't shoot the messenger
     
  4. OriginalBigfoot

    OriginalBigfoot Light Load Member

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    I think you missed my original post, where it said: "I came off the road in 2004 (sort of) and took a job locally (sort of) picking up motorcycles at auctions in Atlanta, Chicago, SLC and Ontario, CA with an F-250 and 22.5' trailer." No offense, but if you would take someone three years experience over someone else with 38 years, 28 OTR and 10 regional, you would have to be an idiot.
    I have 38 years experience driving. I took the class 1 road test three days after my 18th birthday. Went to work with my father's friend, an O/O a week later. I am 56 years old and have been driving all my life. I have no idea why you are comparing me to your father. Is he also a lifelong driver? My uncle, a log hauler, retired his Autocar at age 77...
    Really? Like what?
    New drivers get into more than just a lot of minor scrapes! They become fearless experts after six months or so and there's nothing that can stand in their way! Except of course, that next hairpin turn! It takes a long time to learn this business! You have to learn everything from dealing with dispatch, to planning your route, to knowing, inspecting and maintaining your equipment, to locking your loads, to driving safely, to managing HOS, to dealing with the receiver, and so much more. This ONLY comes with experience! I spent eight years with American Eagle (Conwell corp, FFE) up until 2004, and I have to tell you, the rookie stories I heard in those eight years from my friend in safety who got me the job were in some cases, completely unbelievable. Funny how the worst stories always involved a rookie driver...

    But I get it RecruiterMike, you want to be the authority on the topic, and that's fine, for you. But you don't know me -- you don't know my history, and you certainly won't influence my future. Of the original eight applications I made, six have actually called me back after seeing my experience and offered me a job, so I guess that says something. I'm back OTR on 12/03... see you out there -- oh, or are you just a recruiter?
     
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  5. OriginalBigfoot

    OriginalBigfoot Light Load Member

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    No offense, but I'm starting to get the feeling you have no clue of what you're talking about. RECRUITERS are the ones that care less, not the companies! I called eight different companies and spoke to eight recruiters who turned me down, and after submitting online applications, almost all of them called me back. When the other driver said s-cam, he meant mechanical ability and common sense from experience! I can't tell you how many repairs I have made over the years to save myself from waiting four or five hours in line at a shop, when a few bucks in the c-store solved the problem. Do you think the company appreciated the effort? You bet your ### they did, and I got a lot of small rewards along the way. Everything from hats and pocket knives, to bonus pay, but most of all, recognition, and priority seating in the new trucks, so yes, they do care if you know what an s-cam is! How many rookies do you know who carry extra fan belts, light bulbs, fuses, or even tools?! Companies care about the bottom line, and if you save them $200, they care about YOU!

    I'll never forget talking to a hand in Ontario, CA at the 76 truck stop (now TA). We were sitting in the restaurant and he was telling me how he was waiting in line for the shop to call him to get 2 marker lights fixed. I couldn't believe he was actually waiting for this, but he said he wouldn't cross the Banning scales without them. Long story short, I helped him change them in 10 minutes and he was on his way. Everyone has a story like this... helping out rookies is something we all do and enjoy doing!

    Since when is Hazmat covered in orientation? I thought placarding was covered on the shipper's docs, the BOL?
    My problem seems to be with the message, not necessarily the messenger...
     
  6. PayCheck

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    So why are you looking at these big outfits? the just look at a number grunt like a monkey at a keyboard and say numbers good hire. You might want to look at some smaller outfits running say 20-60 trucks, the pay is usually better.
     
  7. RecruiterMike

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    Exactly right . . . generally. The bigger the company, the more actuarial. Good smaller companies are harder to find, but they'll waive requirements as they see fit based on candidate.
     
  8. RecruiterMike

    RecruiterMike Bobtail Member

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    You take things personally . . . as Aaron Rodgers said "R E L A X" . . . we're all on the same side here pal. I drove for 3 years, now run the recruiting department for a 140 truck fleet.
     
  9. OriginalBigfoot

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    I'm choosing a big company for a reason, and that is because, contrary to popular belief, good drivers stand out. Oh I know, everyone thinks you're just a number, but that's only true if you choose to be. The bigger the company, the better the software and matrixes used to identify not only the bad drivers, but the good as well. Smaller companies are all about politics, I know, I have been there and so has most of my family in the business. I don't want to kiss up to the boss, I would rather a P&L spreadsheet do that for me, and trust me, every big company does a 30-day P&L on every power unit.

    And I'm not taking it personally Mike, I am rebutting your analysis, which is deficient in so many ways, I guess experience, or lack of might be the reason, but it sure isn't personal. I am relaxed, but you don't waive a red cloth in a bull's face and then tell him to relax...
     
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  10. stabob

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    No they just look over 50!
     
  11. Tonythetruckerdude

    Tonythetruckerdude Crusty Deer Slayer

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    here is the comparison you wanted.....I'm not being emotional sir....just factual...at 67 your father is a much more experienced driver , and usually by default , a better driver for it. there are exceptions however. Why not ask your father.... I would wager he would say the same thing...that he at 67 is a much more alert , and aware driver than he was at 30...You're wrong in the assuption that everything about the driving experience has changed in the last 10 years....rules/laws may have changed somewhat , technologies for sure have changed quite a bit. But , a driver ( a good one) still must pre-trip/post-trip a truck , he must drive according to how the road/traffic/weather conditions dictate , he must be ever vigilant to his surroundings at the front/rear/overhead/underneath/ and to each side of his vehicle and also to those vehicle/s around him......constantly....that my young friend has been the case since the inception of the trucking industry...and it ( being the safe operation of a CMV) will always remain a constant goal for a driver to reach for.....it ain't and shouldn't ever change.....here is your study....

    [h=1]Young Drivers and Large Trucks[/h]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]FACT SHEET[/FONT] ​
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A DEADLY MIX - YOUNG DRIVERS AND LARGE TRUCKS[/FONT] ​
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Why The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) Should Reject a Proposal That Would Allow 18-20 Year Olds To Obtain A Commercial Driver License (CDL)[/FONT] ​
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]At present, the minimum qualifications for a person to drive a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) includes a requirement that the driver be at least 21 years of age. The FMCSA is considering a proposal to initiate a pilot program to allow individuals between the ages of 18 to 20 to obtain a CDL for the purpose of operating a commercial motor vehicle in interstate commerce. Essentially, the pilot program would require a minimum of 48 weeks of classroom and driving instruction before an individual could receive a license. The program breaks down into 22 weeks of truck driver training school, 8 weeks of a driver finishing program, and 18 weeks of team driving with a driver 25 years of age or older. Younger drivers would be required to pass the performance standards of the full program and reach the age of 19 before driving solo. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Despite driver education and training programs, research conclusively shows that this age group is overrepresented in motor vehicle crashes. The following facts illustrate the extreme danger and risks involved in allowing 18-21 year olds to drive commercial vehicles on our nation's roads and highways.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]18 -20 Year Olds Are Higher Risk Drivers[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Specific studies of young commercial motor vehicle drivers show that large truck fatal crash involvement rates predictably and steadily increase with decreasing driver age. (University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute, or UMTRI, 1989).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• If the minimum driving age for interstate truck drivers were lowered to 19 years of age from 21 years of age, 19 and 20 years old drivers would have up to 3 times the overall fatal crash rate for all truck drivers. (UMTRI, 1989).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• The general pattern of crash overinvolvement for young truck drivers controls every combination of factors studied by UMTRI, showing that the increasing crash involvement rate as the age of the young driver decreases is associated directly with age and not with other factors. (UMTRI, 1989).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Drivers between the ages of 16-19 have the highest crash rates of all drivers overall. In fact, 16-19 year olds are 3 times more likely to be involved in fatal crashes and 3.3 times more likely to be involved in injury crashes. (Ferguson, S.A. et al., 1996).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Motor vehicle death rates per 100,000 people peak for drivers between the ages of 18 and 19. (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety or IIHS Fatality Facts, 1999).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• All younger drivers are overinvolved in fatal crashes until about the age of 27. (UMTRI, 1989).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Drivers under the age of 19 are overinvolved in fatal crashes by a factor of 4 and drivers between the ages of 19-20 are overinvolved by a factor of 6. (UMTRI, 1989; Williams, 1985).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• The highest motor vehicle death rate per 100,000 people is among 16-24 year old drivers and drivers over 80 years of age. (IIHS Fatality Facts, 1999). [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• According to a survey, young drivers are often distracted by cell phones, CD players and radios, exhibit a lack of judgment behind the wheel, overestimate their driving ability and do not realize the serious consequences of driving a motor vehicle. (George Mason University Study, 2000).[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• Young drivers are less likely to process information they need from the driving environment and they are less able to devote full attention to the driving task because adolescents do not have the emotional, mental and physical abilities of an adult. The prefrontal cortex, the site of judgment formation in the brain, does not fully develop until late teens, which profoundly affects the skills and abilities of young drivers. (George Mason University Study, 2000). [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]• A 1997-1998 study by University of Wisconsin economist, Kristen Monaco, found that 24% of truckers younger than 30 years old reported being in a crash compared to 12% of drivers over 30 years old. (LA Times, 2-23-01).[/FONT]
     
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