Leasing at Prime

Discussion in 'Prime' started by ironpony, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. Night Prowler

    Night Prowler Medium Load Member

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    I think Dan is right. Ae least go back and read more of Iron ponys thread from the beggining. Lots of great info and lots of numbers. find another company for now anyway. If prime wont let you go company. Good Luck !
     
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  3. jbrodgers

    jbrodgers Light Load Member

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    NOW... back to my ORIGINAL question... Ok... dumb question... What exactly is a "settlement" and what information is included in a settlement?
     
  4. Danfromwindsor

    Danfromwindsor Road Train Member

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    A settlement is all your income for the week and all your expenses. Essentially a spreadsheet showing what you made and what you paid out in expenses and what you were left over,gross profit. I say gross profit because from that you must subtract taxes.
     
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  5. Danfromwindsor

    Danfromwindsor Road Train Member

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    Positives of leasing can be less work for same money as company driver,meaning you had a gross profit of $1000 but only ran 1500mi that week. In order for a company driver to gross that they would have to run more miles. An example of the negative is you run 2500mi and make $750 gross profit. Your checks will vary by loads and a host of other variables. As a company driver you dont have that uncertainty.
     
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  6. DenaliDad

    DenaliDad Retired Wheel Dog

    The biggest difference is the certainty of a company driver versus the uncertainty of a lease operator. All you have to do on the company side to get a paycheck is go where you're told to go and get there on time...the money goes to you, the employee. Since an employee is paid by the mile, more miles = more money.

    A lease is different. First, the money goes to the truck; you are an employee of truck, not Prime, and the money paid is a percentage of the load, not cents per mile. You, the contractor, pay for everything...fuel, including IFTA, oil, repairs, tires, chains, DEF, anti-gel. Everything. So the key to increased money is more trips, not more necessarily miles. So think "regional" as opposed to "Lower 48."

    For me, a non-lease operator - yet - the challenge is what makes leasing exciting. Having a bit more control over where I go and when is what makes the challenge worth it. It's the 'known versus the unknown.' I know where the money lanes will be and if I want to travel to, say, California to visit a daughter, all I have to do is arrange a trip, knowing the truck will cost more to do it.

    You have a logical, inquisitive head that seeks answers, not bluster from the naysayers, of which there are many. I wish you well. Success can be yours; understanding the industry and just how challenging "trucking" as a business can be is one of the keys. You will be a small business owner who drives, not a truck driver. Keep that in mind.

    Read and absorb every word Ironpony writes and find other forums where lease- and owner-operators have succeeded. Then decide. Good luck.
     
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  7. Danfromwindsor

    Danfromwindsor Road Train Member

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    Yeah IP has some crazy spreadsheets lol. I used to think I was a numbers guy til I started reading his thread lol.
     
  8. ironpony

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    Its a weekly statement of your business account... exactly the same sort of thing you'd get if you were managing a retail store. There's 4 sections... 1) Revenue, summarized by trip, and totalled, 2) Reimbursements, 3) Charges to your account and 4) Recapitulation... showing your escrow account status, revenue standing vs the minimum revenue guarantee and the settlement check calculation. Appended to that is the detail for any charges out of the ordinary, such as repairs, and an optional statistical breakdown by week, year and lease-to-date.

    Its paid to the lease operator to defray the cost of fuel. You get 100% of the weekly surcharge rate per mile calculated from the fleet average fuel cost. Anything collected from the customer above the surcharge rate is split 72%/28% between you and the company. That's one of the things I don't appreciate about Prime these days.

    The per diem program is for company drivers. As an independent contractor, you will take advantage of the per diem deduction on your tax return.

    Yes, all of the above. All of the in-network fuel stops accept COMDATA, which is the easiest way to pay for fuel. If you go out-of-network, you're paying cash or by credit card. You have to get a PO number to have it included on your settlement.

    The fuel card works like a credit card for fuel and additives, that's funded by Prime. Your costs are detailed on your weekly settlement. Yes its a good idea, because that's how you take advantage of the corporate fuel discounts that Prime negotiates with the truck stop chains. BTW... you can get a better deal on additives at Walmart or a farm store than at a truck stop.

    There are also two debit card accounts tied to the same card... a personal account used to route a part of your settlement check to you that you can access via ATM usually a day before direct deposits are available. There is also a corporate side that you can write Comchecks against to pay for legitimate business expenses. Usually you use this for things the company will reimburse you for, like paying lumpers to unload your trailer.

    As a new commercial driver, you are for all purposes uninsurable. If you could find an insurance carrier to cover you, the rates would be astronomical. As a new entrant owner-operator, I'm looking at around $20,000 per year. Prime's insurance a good deal, and its very cheap.

    No, you can use anyone you like to provide maintenance. Most things will be under warranty from the truck and engine manufacturer. I recommend you use the engine manufacturer's shop for everything engine related. For general truck stuff, Primes shops are good, but quite often there can be a long wait especially at Springfield. I'll often go to Freightliner for general stuff to get it done in a timely manner. We also have national accounts through TA, Petro and Speedco.

    The advantage of using these shops instead of Joe's Truck Repair is that you won't have to shell out thousands up front to get a repair done. Its electronically transmitted to Prime, and gets put on your settlement. As a lease operator, Rob Low takes it easy on y'all, and finances anything "large" at no interest, and $100 per week payments. Joe wants it all now unless he's your cousin.

    You will want to use Prime's tire shop to take advantage of the corporate tire discounts.

    I'll get back to you on that... time fer bed!
     
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  9. jbrodgers

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    Would like to get ahold of some of those "crazy spreadsheets" of IP's...... hint hint ;)
     
  10. freightwipper

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    I ended up at Schneider and I'm in upstate New York currently doing those "short crap loads in the Northeast"... "that pay well" lol
     
  11. jbrodgers

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    Thanks for the info everyone....
    My daughter got married today, so I am going to bed myself... quite an eventful day!

    Happy New Year Y'all... stay safe and I'll see ya' next year!
     
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