Can a company mandate using sleeper status during 10 Hour Break

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  1. strongbacks

    strongbacks Light Load Member

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    § 395.2: Definitions.
    On-duty time shall include:
    (4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:
    (i) Time spent resting in or on a parked vehicle, except as otherwise provided in § 397.5 of this subchapter;
    (ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth; or
    (iii) Up to 2 hours riding in the passenger seat of a property-carrying vehicle moving on the highway immediately before or after a period of at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth;
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    [h=3]§ 395.3: Maximum driving time for property-carrying vehicles.[/h](a) Except as otherwise provided in § 395.1, no motor carrier shall permit or require any driver used by it to drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, nor shall any such driver drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, regardless of the number of motor carriers using the driver's services, unless the driver complies with the following requirements:
    (1) Start of work shift. A driver may not drive without first taking 10 consecutive hours off duty;
    (2) 14-hour period. A driver may drive only during a period of 14 consecutive hours after coming on duty following 10 consecutive hours off duty. The driver may not drive after the end of the 14-consecutive-hour period without first taking 10 consecutive hours off duty.
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    NOWHERE does it say we need to record how much we are sleeping.

     
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  3. strongbacks

    strongbacks Light Load Member

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    And YES, by their very nature Statutory Law IS A WORD GAME.
     
  4. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

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    If you're taking your 10 hr brk in the sleeper why wouldn't you log line2?DOT would be raising eyebrows if you always log off duty while on your 10 .If it wasn't required by law then there wouldn't be sleeper birth in the log book.But if I go to sleeper for say a half hr while getting unloaded,im going to remain on line 1.If you very rarely if any log line 2 then I can see where your manager is coming from.
     
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    Sleeper berth status DOES NOT exist simply because trucks might have sleeper berths. The status exists to accommodate executing an 8/2 split sleeper condition, allowing a driver to break up a 10 hour break provided 8 hours of continuous sleeper status. Otherwise, according to the DOT officer who spoke at our driver meeting, 10 hours sufficiently satisfies the code.
     
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  6. bobtrucks2204

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    "Time spent resting in or on a parked vehicle"

    Wowee, I never knew my time sleeping on the hood of that car in the rest stop counted. I tried the hood of my truck but the Vlovo slopes down too much. Kept sliding off
     
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  7. strongbacks

    strongbacks Light Load Member

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    Look what I found !!!


    § 395.8: Driver's record of duty status.
    h) (2) Sleeper berth. A continuous line shall be drawn between the appropriate time markers to record the period(s) of time off duty resting in a sleeper berth, as defined in § 395.2. (If a non-sleeper berth operation, sleeper berth need not be shown on the grid.)


    Could that be more clear?
     
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  8. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Strongbacks,

    If your brushing your teeth or manicuring your toenails, how would you log that?

    Off duty?

    Why? Why would you log that off duty? There is nothing in the FMCSA rules that say "specificly" you have to log "off duty" while brushing teeth or manicuring your toenails... but I agree, its the intended & the logical place to log that. Just as, if your sleeping in the sleeper, the intended & logical place to log that is line 2... sleeper birth.

    If you know of a place in the FMCSA rules that "specifically" states you MUST log another line while specificly brushing your teeth or manicuring your toe nails, please show us that statute.

    Additionally, I'll ask this....
    If the rules didnt intend for you to log sleeper birth while using the sleeper birth, why would they require a line (2) for sleeper birth time on the log? I don't see a line for brushing your teeth or manicuring toe nails... but you know, by common sense, you have to log off duty while doing these things. Common sense should also tell you that (while there is no specific rule) while you are in the sleeper birth, log in that line.

    Just because its doesn't "specificly" say something, doesnt say that there is not intent to do so. There's no point in being so defiant about the rules.

    Now to address your initial question... Can your company mandate it?
    If its not violating the rules, yes they can. In my opinion, them mandating that you log sleeper birth (which is provided on your log for that purpose), I do not think it violates the FMCSA rules & I believe they can mandate that you log sleeper birth while in fact you are in the sleeper birth.

    I hope this helps... good luck.
     
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    strongbacks Light Load Member

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    And no...they don't mean surgery when they state non-sleeper berth operation...they mean if you do not need to show sleeper berth i.e. 8/2 split or team driving.
     
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    I do hope, Grumpy, you read the post I made just above yours. It really does get specific.
     
  11. Brandonpdx

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    Line 2 is a little redundant for solo drivers who aren't split logging because obviously of course you are sleeping for most of your 10 hour break and nobody else is making the truck move, so differentiating between "off-duty" and "sleeper" is a little academic but I do it anyway to the best of my ability to remember. Noting what time I woke up and moved from line 2 to line 1 is easy but sometimes I just draw something in that looks close enough from the night before if I cant remember exactly what time I went to bed. Bouncing back and forth between line 1 and 2 is ridiculous though you don't need to do that.
     
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