There are tons of cases where you can take your break while you're getting loaded too. It all just depends on the policies of the shipper or receiver. I've been lots of places where they'll tell you to bump dock 14 and you'll get loaded as soon the guys in docks 11, 12 and 15 pull out. In that case, once I was on the dock, they didn't care what I did for the next 1 to 3 hours it as going to take them to get to me. Therefore I was not in any way required to be 'in readiness to operate the vehicle' during that time. I could take a walk if I wanted and they wouldn't care. I could and have hiked up the street to the fast food joint for a meal, napped in the drivers seat, did some window shopping at the best buy across the way etc. I come back, they're halfway through loading my truck and everyone's happy. According the regs, perfectly legal to go line 1 in that case and no one at any point had to say 'you are officially released from duty'.
Can a company mandate using sleeper status during 10 Hour Break
Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by strongbacks, Jan 24, 2015.
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I'm not saying anything that isn't in the regs. Like I said, whether you log it "by the book" or by your own loose interpretation is entirely up to you. You might work your entire career and never run across a DOT man who gives a ####...or you could run into a "by the book" type tomorrow. Ignorance isn't always bliss, and I'm sure that "by the book" officer would happily explain the regs to you again as he's handing you the ticket. Know the right way to do it, and if you choose to do otherwise so be it...but don't pretend that fudging the rules is perfectly legal.
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IF I am doing none of those while at a shipper/receiver, then I can go OFF-DUTY.
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Very good.BROKENSPROKET said: ↑IF I am doing none of those while at a shipper/receiver, then I can go OFF-DUTY.Click to expand...
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I have talked with FMCSA on this question about two weeks ago, they said, if your in the sleeper berth, and logging "off duty" what you are doing is "falsifying logs", and is illegal, if logging completely off duty, you must be out of the truck, as in a motel or home, don't just read the words, call and discuss this with FMCSA, if you just ask "can I log off duty for 10 to complete my rest break" their going to say yes, ask the question in full! "While I'm in the sleeper berth, can I log it as off duty?", you will get a better reply to the questionBrandonpdx said: ↑Now wait a second. He was basically saying he doesn't/shouldn't have to log line 2 while on his 10 hour break, and it appears the law may no longer require it if he isn't teaming or 8/2 splitting according to post #78 by Ubu. His beef is with his company who is requiring it.
I'm going to look into that further because I may just quit worrying about line 2 myself if possible. My company has no such requirements and I don't ever team or split. Seems like when I was taught paper logging (prior to 2/27/12 it was...) it was still required to differentiate between off duty time and sleeper time and I've just always done it that way since.Click to expand...Scott101 Thanks this. -
If you are involved in an accident that may involve driver fatigue and your logs show no sleeper berth time, it can be inferred by a jury of your know-nothing peers that you blatantly ignored getting proper rest. Its an aggravating factor in a civil suit. Its to your benefit that you show some sleeper time... whether you did sleep or not.strongbacks said: ↑Tell me what you know.
I have read the regulations for Hours of Service. I have asked many drivers in and outside my company.
My Transportation Manager is requesting that I change my duty status to sleeper WHENEVER I am in the sleeper. It is apparently not sufficient for him that I go Off-Duty for a 10 hour break.
Can a company ask a driver to log beyond what is required in the regulation? My understanding is that Sleeper Status is entirely optional, and necessary only if I am team driving or execution an 8/2 split.
This is pissing me off because I am not interested in turning my log into a diary and also having to 'work' during off duty break. To me, changing my status every time I get out of the truck or get into a front seat constitutes work. It is definitely micromanagement.Click to expand... -
Except that either they misunderstood you, you misunderstood them, or they gave you wrong information.crzyjarmans said: ↑I have talked with FMCSA on this question about two weeks ago, they said, if your in the sleeper berth, and logging "off duty" what you are doing is "falsifying logs", and is illegal, if logging completely off duty, you must be out of the truck, as in a motel or home, don't just read the words, call and discuss this with FMCSA, if you just ask "can I log off duty for 10 to complete my rest break" their going to say yes, ask the question in full! "While I'm in the sleeper berth, can I log it as off duty?", you will get a better reply to the questionClick to expand...
A driver can, in fact, log off-duty in the cab of a truck, regardless of whether there is a sleeper available or not. Nor is it required a driver be in any other location. Nor is a driver required to prove they were in any other location or engaged in any activity by any means other than their log entries.§ 395.2: Definitions.
On-duty time shall include:
(4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:
(i) Time spent resting in or on a parked vehicle, except as otherwise provided in § 397.5 of this subchapter;
(ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth; or
(iii) Up to 2 hours riding in the passenger seat of a property-carrying vehicle moving on the highway immediately before or after a period of at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth;
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.2Click to expand...Last edited: Jan 26, 2015
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That part I agree with in full. I always log altleast 8 hours in the sleeper berth, if my 10 is in the truck. My OFF-DUTY time logged at either end of my 10 can be inside or outside the truck.crzyjarmans said: ↑I have talked with FMCSA on this question about two weeks ago, they said, if your in the sleeper berth, and logging "off duty" what you are doing is "falsifying logs", and is illegal, if logging completely off duty, you must be out of the truck, as in a motel or home, don't just read the words, call and discuss this with FMCSA, if you just ask "can I log off duty for 10 to complete my rest break" their going to say yes, ask the question in full! "While I'm in the sleeper berth, can I log it as off duty?", you will get a better reply to the questionClick to expand...
During my 14, I will log OFF-DUTY, whenever I am doing anything, in a block of time, that is not work related, no matter whether I am inside or outside the truck or at a shipper/reciever. . -
You are correct that a driver may now log off-duty while in the truck. The regs allow for that. You are incorrect that a driver may log Off-duty while in the bunk. The official guidance still says you must log it as it happens.not4hire said: ↑Except that either they misunderstood you, you misunderstood them, or they gave you wrong information.
A driver can, in fact, log off-duty in the cab of a truck, regardless of whether there is a sleeper available or not. Nor is it required a driver be in any other location. Nor is a driver required to prove they were in any other location or engaged in any activity by any means other than their log entries.Click to expand...
Source: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/395?guidanceQuestion 26: May a driver record sleeper berth time as off-duty time on line one of the record of duty status?
Guidance: No. The drivers record of duty status must accurately reflect the drivers activities.Click to expand... -
Nowhere did I post a driver may log off-duty while in the bunk. The cab is not the sleeper; my post is correct.Johan said: ↑You are correct that a driver may now log off-duty while in the truck. The regs allow for that. You are incorrect that a driver may log Off-duty while in the bunk. The official guidance still says you must log it as it happens.
Source: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/part/395?guidanceClick to expand...
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