I'm not a "Cat" guy, so I don't know much about 'em.
There's a certain used truck model I've been looking at.
Depending on the year, it comes with either an ISM Cummins, a C12, or a C13 Cat.
I know the ISM Cummins' are garbage. (Turbo and EGR failures)
Between the C12 and the C13, what would be the better choice? I'm more interested in power and reliability. I know fuel mileage is important, but it's not top priority to me.
Are all C12 non-Acert?
Does Acert really just mean it's an EGR motor?
Are all C13 Acert?
Is it possible to get a 2007 C13 Acert WITHOUT a DPF exhaust filter?
Questions for the C12 & C13 Cat guys.
Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Blackducati750, Mar 23, 2015.
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This is some great reading on acerts..........
http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tr...00-cat-iva-intake-valve-actuator-defined.html
Some of the old threads bring a tear to my eye.... -
of those three choices I'd get the C12 just for the fact that it's a non emission engine. We have a c12 in a '99 FL and it's a good engine, mileage isn't the greatest(we work it hard pulling bullracks) but it's reliable.
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I used to have a C-13 Acert Cat. It was EGR and had two turbos. Acert is EGR. Over heated and had cooling issues. There's actually a lawsuit against Acert engines because of the lemon law.
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i never heard of a lawsuit on the Accerts. I own a C13 auto for 5 yrs now. Never had any major problems. Did replace the high pressure turbo and pre cooler around 700k. Other than that I'm satisfied.
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rickybobby, go to Google and type lawsuits brought on Cat Acert Engines and you will get more hits than satisfied reviews like yours! If you are getting a start up truck and want to make money, buy a Freightliner Century or Columbia with a Detroit 12.7 engine. If you want to spend money, buy a Peterbuilt, and if you want to go bankrupt, buy it with a Cummins engine!
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Lawsuit is dpf 07 emissions engines..... Not all acerts.
acerts are not a true egr engine, if it's a back door egr engine is debatable ....Last edited: Mar 24, 2015
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Okay, are all C12 cats non-egr? Does anyone know what hp/tq ratings the C12 can be "turned up" to reliably?
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No there is no Acert non EGR! The Acert was built to comply with the EPA and Environmental clean air laws. That's why CAT no longer makes Highway engines. I was a CAT guy! If you talk to me about CAT 3406E, yes! that's an engine but EGR stuff is more money for the OIL COMPANIES AND THE DEALERS IN PARTS! I had an International 9200I with that CAT C-13 and all the guys that had that engine, experience the same problems, overheating, head cracked, low MPG! You can buy what you want but I feel like you are in the business to make money and just giving you my experience. Good Luck.D.Tibbitt, Maurog8406 and Blackducati750 Thank this.
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I used to have a 2005 C13 470/485 ACERT and I loved it. Later had Cat install the 525 h.p. field uprate. Mine was bulletproof and got better fuel mileage and pulled harder than my new DD15 505/1650.
But if you had the choice, go C12. No emisssions junk and they also pull very good and get good fuel mileage.
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