Lite Bug, thank you. I have had the opportunity to work around DOD, DCMA, and DOS, and to be honest, they are a scary bunch. I know this may not be all too relevant, but when operating in Iraq, the FARS and DFARS they use as their bible on all things, can really screw with the contractor. As example, if a light bulb or a main breaker box doesn't meet CE requirements, or if the little screw on the side isn't 1.5" in length, it doesn't qualify. Most, if not all products came from Turkey or Kuwait for the DOD contractors, but the DOD or DCMA would insist on having American products, while the "fixed" contract would never specify that product to originate from the USA. The cost of goods or the delivery fees associated would kill the profit margin easily. This is one reason why contractors fluff up their pricing, in order to meet those obstacles. Then of course they normally lose the bid to someone who hasn't a clue.
This of course is in an entirely different theater of operations, and working freight in CONUS would be a consideration. I attended the Defense Acquisition University a few years back, and the course was Acquisition Program/Project Management. While taking that certification course, it became so obvious of how dollars are wasted in just the process of acquiring an asset or service. Trust me, there are many more dollars spent on planning the acquisition, than the contractor would ever receive. There isn't REAL management in those agencies. To work in contract management with the DOD, you just need that four year degree to get in. Then they train you. Most of those folks unfortunately do not have real world experience, rather they are molded to the "system", which normally doesn't operate seamlessly, and the contractor better have stamina and plenty of patience to work for them. It's pretty much like a supplier having a contract with Walmart. Your prices WILL need to be the lowest in order to win.
Overall, I am the type that doesn't let obstacles become obstacles. There "is" money with DOD, and networking is key, as with anything. Thank you so much for your input, and I will place that idea on the table. Were you in the Corps? Semper Fi
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Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by Cowgirlchaser, Sep 15, 2015.
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Thank you Matt. What are you setup to haul? What lanes do you prefer? Short, long hauls? I will keep you on my list.
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Thank you for your service. See my answers below.
1. It is entirely possible to establish relationships and maintain them over the phone/email. To me this is widely accepted and practiced these days, and should not be a major factor in your success. However that being said, that doesn't mean you won't come across some some customers that would prefer a face to face meeting at some point. You might also find in certain situations that a face to face visit might help secure new business or help maintain a current customer. I would say this would be the exception versus the norm. If nothing else like you said you could have an agent that travels or perhaps an outside sales guy, if you really thought you needed one, but I wouldn't necessarily count on needing it from the start.
2/3. As far as training goes, this industry is no different than any other. It is best to be well prepared before jumping in. There are lots of things you will learn along the way but you want to know at least how to get started. That being said, from what I know about the broker training courses out there, most of them are a grab for your money and may not offer the most content. Or at least not offer you anything different than what you could learn while earning some income for someone else. I would suggest not putting a great deal of money towards a training class if you choose that route. Sometimes a benefit of these courses is that they will package some customer leads for you that way you don't have to gather them elsewhere.
When it comes to starting out and expenses I would strongly urge you to try an get on as an agent with a brokerage or as a sales agent or dispatcher for an asset based carrier. This would be much like a new driver starting out with a carrier before going as an owner operator. The company you work for would provide you with all the back office support you need, and eliminate the need for most of your startup expenses. Most will let you work from home (unless maybe you dispatch for a carrier) and could even provide you with a bit of training as well.
Most companies will want you to bring a "book of business" with you in order to setup as a full agent, however you may be able to leverage your military experience in order to get around that. If not they may refer you to other agents within their company that you could work for or be a sub agent for in order to get your feet wet. In any case it is still a good idea to prepare yourself to be without income for at least 6 months as it can be a slow road getting started. The one thing to think about if you go to work as an agent for someone else is that most will have you sign a non compete agreement that will last for a certain amount of time after you leave them. This is something you will need to considering you exit strategy should still plan on going on your own someday.
I am by no means an expert but that is my two cents, I wish you luck. If you have any other questions, feel free to PM me.PSUMoose and Cowgirlchaser Thank this. -
I have a 25'x8' tandem flat with fresh apitong, straps, chains, binders, racks. I will go anywhere except the West coast. I will haul anything! LOL. I just like moving stuff on my classic Pete 362!Cowgirlchaser Thanks this.
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Yes I was in the Corps many moons ago. We have a son in the Navy and my wife has 34 years with DOD . I started doing this ( hotshot ) about 9 years ago. I was leased to a guy to see if I enjoyed it. He had carrier numbers and broker numbers. We did some business out of Letterkenny in Pa. As a carrier we had this idea of brokering military loads and moving them also. However he was not able to obtain the bond to move forward with it. I got my own numbers and moved on. I still think that is a good idea. A broker having access to Government freight and a strong working relationship with carriers ( knowing where they are located loaded or not before even biding ) would be a win win situation every time. While this idea is on your table maybe you could find the answer to this question? Let's say you knew a carrier was going to Jacksonville Fl. how long before you would know what was up for bidding outbound? I have no knowledge of the nuts and bolts of the process. Thanks. Mike
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Copy that Matt. I will eventually PM you once I get ducks in row (soon).
Lite Bug, my head is in the sand about now! I must learn to refrain from speaking my mind so freely. I say this, as you mentioned that your wife works for DOD. I should have said that are very few good managers in DOD contracting, rather than implying that all were worthless in so many words. As a Marine, I guess I need to be axe qualified again? lol. Not sure if you served in the grunts or not, but that is what a new grunt would do on his first field op. I need to hookup with a few jarheads at Albany to see what the scoop is. If I can wiggle myself in the loop somehow, I will keep you in the know for sure. Many thanks for your input brother. Semper Fi
NHS, many great words of advice! Thank you! It is always a plus to know that there are still some good folks out there, who don't mind helping others in the field. Your input is well received, and gives plenty of food for future growth. Thanks for your time spent. -
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Sorry for delay Marine, I am in Western North Carolina.
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Cowgirl chaser thanks for your service. I have no advice on the brokering front but just some tips on us drivers. 1 always be honest if you are honest with us we will be honest with you. 2 I know as a driver my bad day can affect how I communicate with people the same can be said for everyone, never let your bad day affect how you communicate with others. 3 stuff happens on these roads accidents,breakdowns and traffic ALWAYS remember this. 4 rate does help people forget most things but don't slit your own throat because of it. If you become a broker and do everything you say you will be a rare bred among snakes and sharks in this business
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Too easy Rookie. My life is based upon honesty, and my whole family has always had a commitment to help people of all walks of life in any way we can. We all need profit to earn a living, but I am no crook. Thanks for your input, stay safe.
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