Ridiculous rates

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by skman, May 27, 2015.

  1. magoo68

    magoo68 Road Train Member

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    Lots of decks running east through Canada run empty from Alberta to Ontario to reload or sit a week to find a good rate.. Unless you got a good connection most loads pay next to nothing . Most get their money going in and leave the cheap stuff for guys who didn't
     
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  3. PSUMoose

    PSUMoose Medium Load Member

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    On lumber loads I tack on $150. 50% goes to the office I make $75.
     
  4. sailboatjim

    sailboatjim Light Load Member

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    The problem is that the loads get moved. If they didn't get moved the rates would go up. Seems like such a simple concept but some idiot will take the load just to pay for his fuel back to where he is going. (They count on this) Not only is he cutting his neck he's cutting everyone else's neck too. Have a freaking backbone. Stand for something. Don't haul cheap freight.
     
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  5. PSUMoose

    PSUMoose Medium Load Member

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    I agree I see some of the loads some of my customers hand out and I laugh. Then I am surprised when CHR covers it an hour later.

    I only post loads where the driver will get AT LEAST 100cpm. I get requests from customers for 50-80cpm all the time. Somehow they are moving them, because when they send out the next load list the loads are gone.
     
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  6. TaylorMade407

    TaylorMade407 Road Train Member

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    1.00 PM is the only loads you post and they get moved????? I feel sorry for those drivers smh
     
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  7. PSUMoose

    PSUMoose Medium Load Member

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    I did not say I only post loads at 1.00 per mile. That is the lowest I am willing to post. I get requests from shippers for much less. On average my Vans are running 1.60-1.80 and Flats are running 1.90-2.50. Of course it all depends on market and load.
     
  8. rabbiporkchop

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    One of my buddies that just bought a truck and he doesn't even have a trailer and he makes all his money hauling empty trailers from manufacturers to the customer that is purchasing the trailer and he never runs for less than $2 a mile at the least. He just ran a 650 mile load that paid $2,400 to his truck and it was a brand new dry van being delivered to the customer that purchase the trailer. He pays 10% of the load to run under someone else's authority and 3% to the broker that found him the load. He's always doing loads like this..
     
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  9. PSUMoose

    PSUMoose Medium Load Member

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    Sounds like a great set up. I wish all the customers were so generous.
     
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  10. sailboatjim

    sailboatjim Light Load Member

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    2 dollars per mile seems to be the magical mystery load point for OO's leased to other company's.
    I don't run for 2 dollars a mile myself. I'll show why. The companies I work for love me too because I give them a representative in the field that is there to support them all the way. They pay good and they get superior service from me.
    Most OO's that I've talked to that are leased to other companies don't even understand the gig either or don't want to understand it because it would send them into a world of pissed off that they don't want to be in.
    It wouldn't be so bad if they were not lied to about the rates but many times (probably most) they are.

    I was looking at a company once that promised me the world because my wife wanted out of the brokering part of the business. They said they could beat any rate I was getting then. I said, prove it. On the very first load they just happened to send me to a place that I had been to before on my own authority and it just happened to be on a run I had done before on my own authority. That 1600 @4 dollars a mile for 400 miles went to 1200 dollars at 3 dollars a mile. It was still attractive but they told me that's all they could get and they showed me the paperwork to boot. I knew they were lying of course but they didn't know I knew. They took the 400 dollars out in the logistics/brokering part of the business and paid the shipping part of the business 1200 for the load. I did one load and went right back to my deal and got 1600 dollars for the same load the next week. That's money that all went into my pocket. I can't expect that they would give me all of that 1600 dollars. I understand that but they took 20% from the 1200 dollars I made on the load too. That's what ended it for me. They took 400 out of the load before telling me that's all they had and took 20% or 240 dollars from my total of 1200 dollars for the 400 mile run too. Turned out it payed 960 dollars for 400 miles which is still above that magical 2 dollars a mile point many OO's working for others talk about.

    The freight brokers main job in my opinion is to keep the trucker hungry.
    Their job is not to take a small part of the pie and pass it to the truck owner.
    Keep the truck driver hungry and on the job. That's their job.
    Think about that the next time you do a cheap load guys for peanuts.
    You got all the expenses and all the stress. You do all the work and spend all the time away from home.
    You do all the sacrificing and someone else gets a big part of the pie for doing nothing. They have practically zero skin in the game.
     
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  11. Oscar the KW

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    I don't think that's their goal, they are simply taking advantage of the market and getting as much as they can. When the market is in our favor I do the same thing.
     
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