DOT Physical/Neuro-Stim/Scrips

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by PitMaster, Dec 4, 2015.

  1. PitMaster

    PitMaster Bobtail Member

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    Hi all...

    First of all let me say I have been reading for the past 2 or 3 days here and have learned a LOT of info from all you sages.
    I'm 48 years old, and am looking into starting my truck driving course at FVTC in Appleton Wi using my state GI Bill(I'm a 9 year AD Navy vet).
    I had to retire from my previous job as a state correctional sergeant(18 years) due to a sciatic issue which led to me having a neuro stimulator implanted. Although I could return to the prison system...I'm choosing not to and strike out into OTR driving.
    Over the last two years, I've had two surgeries and prescribed many different drugs trying to address the pain. I've been using a "Butrans"(Buprenorphine) patch in addition to the Boston Scientific neuro-stim and am virtually pain free.
    My MD has prescribed low dose(7.5mgx3per day) Oxycodone and the patch which is akin to a time release nicotine patch(transdermal) at 20mcg per day. I do take it(the percocet) at night...so it is in my system.
    So...will all, or any of this disqualify me from the DOT pre-employment physical? If so...can I simply just quit taking the meds and is that acceptable, as I CAN rely on the neuro-stim as a stand alone although it doesn't provide quite the relief.

    I can easily provide any documentation for the scrips as I have nothing to hide from them.

    Thanks in advance...
     
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  3. Mudguppy

    Mudguppy Degenerate Immoralist

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    You're going to have a swarm of hornets headed this way shortly. But take it from a fellow back pain sufferer and LEGAL (to ward off any internet cops!) user of prescribed opioid medication, you can possibly continue with your pain management and drive, but "it depends".

    In other words, you will need you consult with your prescribing physician about your plans, and make sure not only is he okay with it, but YOU also need to be sure you won't have any adverse reactions.If both of those conditions are met in your favor, you are squared away. However, be prepared to provide documentation of your meds to any potential drug-screen labs. By law, if you test positive for any substance that has a legally accepted use medically, they have to contact you first, not your employer, to see if you are indeed legally prescribed. When you provide evidence, it is legally supposed to end there.

    I would strongly advise you to NOT discuss any of that with any potential employers or coworkers though (I know, I know, there will be strong voices of disagreement here)
    The reason being, there are strong social stigmas and stereotypes against opioids due to misuse. Those who have never experienced this kind of pain just don't understand, and will hold it against you negatively. Trust me, I know from experience.

    Anyhoo, I've been in DOT sensitive positions while under prescription for over 8 years now, and passed dozens of randoms and 2 or 3 pre-employment. Any other questions, feel free to PM me.

    Oh yeah, Thanks so much for your service to the country!
     
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  4. PitMaster

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    Yeah...I know it's the proverbial "can-o-worms".
    I've been prescribed everything under the sun over the last two years. All trying to relieve the pain. Some of it's worked to varying degrees, much of it hasn't.
    After the surgery and implant of the neuro-stim, things have gotten significantly better but the neuropathy/pain is still there. Hopefully it's a sign that it's indeed on it's way out.
    Up to that point, I've always been as healthy as a horse. Always have great blood work at my physicals, and was a competitive bike rider who could beat "kids" half my age...so this whole thing's been a real mess for me. I've always taken just enough of the stuff to keep the worst of it at bay and my MD has never had an issue with me and the meds...just the opposite in fact. He's had to push me to try the stronger stuff as he knew I was trying to push though it doing as little as possible...then the $64k implant.
    After the multiple MRI's, EMG's etc...they still can't find the source...that's the maddening thing. My back is still strong...just have the classic non-disc induced sciatica.
    The good thing is that prolonged sitting/driving doesn't really change it. I've made multiple day drives with long hours in the seat and am no worse at the end of it. I can also lift, move things just fine so that also isn't an issue.

    My goal is to simply get off the pills completely in the short term and wear the patch. It has virtually 0 narcotic affect...but does specifically relieve the pain from my knee to my foot. Downside is that they're pricey...AND the medication is often used to treat addicted patients, so there's that stigma potential also.

    I'm scheduled for my initial DOT exam in two weeks in order to get my learning permit and start the early January class so it's all coming up pretty quick and I want to get my ducks in a row

    Thanks again...
     
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  5. Jubal3

    Jubal3 Heavy Load Member

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    It's going to be a hassle, but not necessarily a deal-breaker.

    Do yourself a favor and pay for a DOT physical out of pocket before you pay for school.

    You'll be asked a lot of questions and your doctors will have to write letters to the effect that the treatment you're under will not affect your ability to operate a commercial motor vehicle. Once you have that, you're golden. Companies don't even look at that stuff, they just want to be sure you HAVE a long-form.
     
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  6. PitMaster

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    As I've said, I've talked to my MD regarding the issue. He stated that indeed some of the scrips are contra-indicated for CMV licensing, however at mildly therapeutic levels(which I'm at) it shouldn't be a showstopper necessarily...especially due to the fact that I'm on the downward slope of recovery. My concern is with the fact that it's basically a decision which is delegated to the individual inspector as the regs give them quite some leeway/discretion.

    I appreciate the intel and look forward to continue my education here.

    Regards...
     
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  7. Rock 'n Roll Relocater

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    All I can tell you is the company I drove for looked over the pain meds I was on when I came back from my FMLA leave time from cancer treatment. On a side note however I had been with them for several years and was one of their most dependable drivers so that may have also had something to do with it. I wish you the best of luck. People who have never suffered with severe or chronic pain can not imagine what it is truly like. :(
     
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  8. PitMaster

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    "People who have never suffered with severe or chronic pain can not imagine what it is truly like."

    That's the truth.

    Prior to this, I've been injured a few times with breaks/sprains...and to date the worst pain was having two kidney stones decided to rear their heads while I was in the middle of the western Pacific ocean about 2k miles from the nearest landmass. I thought I was dead...I had no idea what it was. As bad as that was...I'd take another stone no question.

    With this sciatic pain, it's just unrelenting. It's more suffering than the hard pain of say a broken bone, stone or something traumatic. It just doesn't ever seem to go away. People who've never had chronic pain like that don't get it. It's easy to say "Oh just take some Oxy and it'll be good"...but after you've built up a tolerance to them and the pain is still there...then what? I was taking enough morphine to kill a horse...and it still wouldn't really "kill" the pain, only dull it enough to function.

    I had the first surgery and that addressed part of the problem which was a muscle impinging on the nerve...but the majority of it was still there. After the neuro-stim was implanted that's really helped me deal with it. It doesn't really relieve the pain, but morphs it into a different sensation. It's basically the ability to "tase" yourself. I mean that literally. I can use the remote to turn it up so much that I can't move my leg. I've been tased many times in training and have also had to "ride the lightning" with belts, shields and other electronic control devices...and it really is pretty close, but more controllable. It really is unfortunate that the prescription drugs abuse has become such an issue and even legitimate users are sometimes stigmatized with the abusers for no reason. Although some of the blame can be placed on the medical community for their rather free Rx'ing of Hydro and Oxy through the years.

    I may be able to get another perspective next week as I may be going out over the road for a few days with my cousin who's been OTR for 20 years or so. He said he'd be happy to let me do a ride along and show me how things "really" work.

    Again...thanks for the replies and help.
     
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  9. 28special

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    I second this motion without bothering to read any other comments. I don't take pain meds but went to nursing school briefly recently. It doesn't matter if the Pope came in here and said don't do it. Why? First, the DOCTOR is the one who will tell you whether you can or cannot drive on the med. Second, as long as you can show YOUR prescription when you fail the med card drug screen you are still legal. Third, I don't recall you mentioning the mg and as far as anyone in here knows it could be a pathetic 5mg pill and not 20, 80, 120 or even 240mg like some people automatically assume if they begin to give you crap about driving on the med. Fourth, doctors won't say it but 20mg affects EVERYONE differently which means you very well could be safer using it and driving than anyone in here who argues are driving without sleep. Lastly, why does everyone assume truckers are too stupid to pull over if they get drowsy? If you trip plan you should have plenty of time getting to your drop off location even if you stopped to nap every day. I napped after lunch every day between 1 and 3 and NEVER had a late load. When I found out the human body releases melatonin to make you sleepy twice every day I stopped trying to fight it. It does it at night of course and between 12 and 3 in the afternoon it releases a small amount. I became a more alert driver when I took my afternoon power naps. With all that you are going through I just don't see the med making you fall asleep driving. I also believe MOST drivers are PROFESSIONAL and know the pay check doesn't matter if you are dead and like me they will pull over if they get drowsy. Doctors are not gods and D.O.T. are not doctors so unless they specifically ask I would never mention it. If the doctor says you're fine I truly doubt it will be an issue. On a side note, I did have to get put to sleep to get 2 teeth pulled and my company said I could not move my tractor 1 inch for the next 24 hours or I'd be terminated and I was an O/O. I was too happy to even bother getting out of the sleeper. So the company can mess with you but as I said, if the doctor gave you a good bill of health I'd just not mention it and earn my pay.
     
  11. lfod14

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    Unless you're surgeries have fused stuff together have you seen a Chiropractor? Is the Neuro stim just renamed TENS therapy? (Electric Pulses)? I was told by 2 different doctors I needed surgery and 2 different Chiropractors got me back to normal without being butchered. I'd seriously look into alternatives. Trucking or not you don't want to have to rely on narcotics forever. Plus theirs the reality that your DOT cert'ing DR will have an issue with that. I pissed my back off a couple months ago and my DR had no probs giving me pain killers, but that was temporary and it was the same place that did my card which helps.
     
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