Help with new starter issue

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  1. kitCat

    kitCat Light Load Member

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    Replaced a 42MT starter with a mitsubishi IN1478 its same as s 39MT. My truck has a magnetic switch on the firewall the new starter came one with on, So now I have a push button start. The issue I'm having is when I go to start, it clicks once and I lose power to everything in the truck 0 volts after this I went to the battery touched the NEGATIVE side with my hands and it sparks for a second, Like when you connect negative and positive together. It's like a static shock nothing strong. Took off negative terminal reinstalled truck has power again. I took off the starter to recheck the wiring everything is correct. I removed the magnetic switch from the starter and jumped at the solenoid at the signal terminal still does the same thing clicks and lose power to the whole truck even the power inverter, negative sides of sparks again, I checked all the wires again everything seems right. What is the issue here guys?
     
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  3. Ozdriver

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    Sounds like a direct short to earth somewhere if you lose power and volts go to zero. Sounds like it could be in the starter or starter solenoid itself. If it was me, I'd take the starter off if it isn't too hard and bench test it.
    Also, why did you change the starter. Maybe there is a wiring problem passed onto the new starter.
     
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  4. kitCat

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    I changed it cause the 42mt was starting to go bad, sometimes it would crank, other times starter solenoid would engage but the starter wouldn't crank, only wires I have going it now are battert positive and ground to frame and battery, and the push button start to signal wire on the solenoid.
     
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  5. 6wheeler

    6wheeler Road Train Member

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    Maybe try ground to the motor. A lot of that stuff on the frame is connected by rubber grommets.
    Also I've been through the 42my a few times. Look on YouTube at 42mt rebuilding
     
  6. Ozdriver

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    I think I just saw your problem from what you just said.
    You need a seperate relay to go between the starter solenoid and the starter button. There's too many amps going through the starter button and the ignition switch to the starter solenoid for it to work. I had same problem myself once. Wire the relay direct to positive on battery or some other high capacity terminal. Then wire the signal side of the relay to the starter button.
    Another problem I had with a 52MT starter was the starter cables just weren't up to it. I doubled up the positive and negative cables to the batteries (2 positive cables & 2 negatives instead of one each). Hope this helps.
     
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  7. QUALITYTRUCK

    QUALITYTRUCK Road Train Member

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    You either (1) forgot one of the ground wires (2) have a bad ground cable. Usually the one that goes from starter to frame. That is a very good replacement starter. Slowly back track your work. It gets frustrating sometimes. As long as that starter was not bad out of box, you will find the problem.
     
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  8. Cory wood

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    I had this same problem as well, it was the ground from the starter to the frame, we cleaned everything and put a new larger cable along with a new cable from the batteries to the frame on the negative side and it fixed the problem, hope it's something simple like that for you.
     
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  9. X mech

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    Electrical problems can be one of the hardest things to diagnose without a digital volt meter. Performing a voltage drop test can reveal problems not easily seen by eye. It is very easy to perform yet most mechanics do not know how. Once after many trips to the shops and replacing batteries, starter several times. My boss gave me the job. Performed voltage drop test and found the positive cable terminal at the batteries was shrink wrapped from the factory, but never crimped or soldered. I would have never found this without performing the test. Place volt meter terminals on each end of cable to be tested, no need to disconnect cables. crank engine and observe reading. Should be .50v or less. O remove ECM fuse so engine will not start. This can be done on any cable suspect If what you said is correct the cable you touched that sparked is not a very good connection. They should not spark when touched. That IS your problem.
     
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  10. X mech

    X mech Light Load Member

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    you have found your problem. the cable you touched that sparked is the problem. it should not spark.
     
  11. kitCat

    kitCat Light Load Member

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    Thanks everyone for y'all help. I got it working, it turned out to be a bad engine ground. The new mitsubishi start is a Day night difference compared to delco remy, starts the truck lot quicker and doesn't use lot of amps either. And it has a 3 year warranty. Again thanks y'all
     
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