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How would you log this?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Bdog, Mar 2, 2016.

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  1. Mar 3, 2016 #21
    FwL

    FwL Medium Load Member

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    Who's paying for the fuel?

    If you're using a company fuel card when you stop to gas up, you'll have a hard time justifying off duty time if the company goes through a DOT audit.



    That's how I would do it.
     
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  3. Mar 3, 2016 #22
    not4hire

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    Not a problem when one of the non-CDL passengers fuels it. No different than when a team stops for fuel; the driver in the sleeper/off-duty doesn't have to log the stop/fuelling.
     
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  4. Mar 3, 2016 #23
    deep south

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    the old company i worked for gave me a off duty card releasing me of all duties. once i left the truck .i don't know if they still do that.does the dully have a dot#? if no i would not log it.save those hrs.
     
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  5. Mar 3, 2016 #24
    FwL

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    Where did he say anything about having non-CDL passengers who are fueling the vehicle?
     
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  7. Mar 3, 2016 #25
    Zeviander

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    I didn't know pickup trucks qualified as CMV's...
     
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  8. Mar 3, 2016 #26
    not4hire

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    Prove that he didn't. :D
     
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  9. Mar 3, 2016 #27
    FwL

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    In this case it's a non issue. The vehicle doesn't require a CDL to operate... merely that the operator be compliant with HOS regulations. He could get some homeless guy to pump his fuel for him so long as the homeless guy logs it on duty.
     
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  10. Mar 4, 2016 #28
    Bdog

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    Company pays for fuel, the dually has DOT numbers on it, the driver of it does not need a CDL drive it but must follow DOT regs including logging while driving it. A vehicle over 10k used interstate is a CMV.

    When I am on these trips my job is not really a truck driver. Basically I drive the semi to the jobsite with the equipment and then park it and stay in a motel and work at the jobsite until it is time to load up and move somewhere else. Never really know for sure how long we will be there so I log every day because I might have to leave in the big truck to go somewhere else. When I know I will not be leaving for a while I change my duty station to the motel and then use the local exemption which simplifies things greatly but often it is only a day or two in each location and that doesn't help much.

    I don't know if I can use the personal conveyence thing or not. All employees stay at the same motel paid for by the company. Company says what time we leave motel in the morning and everyone goes on the clock at that time. We drive from motel to gas station and get fuel for the pickups and in our transfer tanks for the heavy equipment and get ice for the coolers, coffee, etc then drive as a group to the jobsite. To me it seems like on duty. Now in the evening when I drive the truck to wal mart or to go eat I don't log that as it is personal conveyance but the drive to the jobsite seems iffy to me.
     
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  11. Mar 4, 2016 #29
    ZVar

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    It sounds like you arn't too worried about your 14 or even 70 hour clock. If you have plenty of spare time I would just log it all as on duty just to be safe. Of course if you are running into the 70, yes go off duty for evey break and chance you get.

    -Steven
     
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  12. Mar 4, 2016 #30
    Toomanybikes

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    Huh, Someone fuels up a commercial truck in the US the DOT expects someone to be On Duty. If it is a hourly employee there better be a time card that confirms the somebody is working for the company at the time the fuel is purchased. In a team operation, the sleeper/off-duty driver cannot fuel without breaking rest and logging On Duty.

    Fuel stops are the number one tool the Dot will use to check logs. They expect all time at the pump is operated to be logged On Duty. Your company or you gets audited the Dot will first turn to fuel receipts to provide the time stamp to audit your logs.

    As such, the OP should just log all the time he has described on duty. If needed, flag the time he drives but all time at the pump should be logged On Duty.
     
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