NO Broker Freight?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Working Class Patriot, Nov 5, 2013.

  1. windsmith

    windsmith Road Train Member

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    snowwy, I'm not even willing to shell out $40. It's not worth it. Especially when I didn't get a response to my email.
     
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  3. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    seconday account, wind. no money. you lose nothing.

    i NEVER do business with my main account. when it comes to things like this. always use the secondary. there's no money. no overdraft. i lose nothing.
     
  4. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    Ok....I'm not going to Shill for the owner.....I dropped a load today in Gardena....As soon as the receiver told the owner....He funded my Paypal account....

    I did talk to him today about the concerns.....

    I also told him to contact Sam and discuss his plans with Sam....

    The owner wants to eliminate the need for brokers and allow O/O's to deal with shippers directly....

    Yeah I know....Some of you like to have the broker tell you what they're willing to pay you instead of you negotiating....

    But if you are going to do more than survive in this biz....

    You all might want to learn how to negotiate rates....
     
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  5. BigBadBill

    BigBadBill Bullishly Optimistic

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    Great piece of advice, we need to start negotiating. Never would of thought of that. <sigh>

    Tried the site and no freight. This was last year so things can change.

    But what gets me is the playing to the idiots in this business. If they owner is wanting to help then why the BS hype. What does it say on the page? I saved 30% booking direct? Pure BS Hype based on the facts of the industry.

    1. More than 40% of brokered freight is moved by public companies. None that report margins show more than 15%. Can and do brokers get 30% on a single load. Absolutely. But they also get 0% on and load and lose money on loads.

    2. So the magical trucking fairy just comes in and waves a wand and the load is booked, picked-up and delivered and the shipper did nothing. Wrong. That 30% he saved now has to go to staff and overhead to manage the extra work that is involved in this. Even with good rates it is not easy managing this type of department. You need to have someone that knows what they are doing, compliance monitoring, contracts, etc.

    3. And here is the other side, if the shipper saved 30%, then what is being implied is that brokers are taking more than 30%? Because in order for it to be a good deal for the carrier they need to get more than the broker is paying. So what are the trying to sell us? That brokers are taking 50%? 80%? Really? So this is being sold based on truck stop ramblings of the ignorant masses that believe brokers do nothing and take huge cuts. It happens but it is the exception and not the norm. So what type of company builds their marketing program on a lie? They either believe it (and you should run for that fact) or they know the truth and this is a house of cards.

    4. Finding and booking carriers is hard work. It is not free and many carriers that use load boards are awful to deal with. At some point, the shipper is going to realize that they don't need the headache or become one of these companies that sets up a shipping department that grinds on rates harder than brokers do.

    For this type of model to work you need volume and repeat business. From what is being marketed it is based on false data. And on the belief that Today's current business person isn't smart enough to figure out if they are getting a better value working with a broker or doing the work in house. But ultimately the handful of accounts are going to realize that they are not saving 30% and that it is costing them more than that and move back towards brokers.

    Sold cellular back in the days of the bag phone. I told my team that they shouldn't sell on coverage because all it took was the competition putting up a cell tower and then they lost an account. They are selling this based on the ignorance of people that have never done an once of market research and are clueless about business of any kind. At some point the shippers on this board that pay a fair rate will dry up and the ones that stay are going to be the bottom feeders that are already out their.
     
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  6. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    I do know this....
    I have hauled many military load where the rate is there in "Black and White"...

    An example was...I hauled three hummers from Ft. Irwin to the Port of Tacoma....
    My rate from LS was $2700.....Bennett and IIRC...TQL had some of that as well...But Bennett was paying $1600 and TQL was paying $1300....For the same loads....

    Anyway...On the BOL....The total rate for my load was $6000.....
    Hmmm...Someone sure made a nice chunk of change for not even touching the load......
     
  7. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    Anyway....I suggested Dave talk to Sam.....

    All I'm saying is....This could be another option......When Dave does post on this board....I'm sure he'll post an email or post his ph#...
    It doesn't hurt to talk to people about prospects....
     
  8. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    i'm all for the idea. so keep us posted.

    2 years ago. i picked up a couple of loads that didn't want to deal with brokers anymore.

    not all shippers and receivers are big players. and surely, it has to be a better alternative then uship.
     
  9. RayJae Transport Inc

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    It's a freaking Scam they got me, and the dude at top of page is one of them..
     
  10. IH Truck Guy

    IH Truck Guy Road Train Member

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    How did they get you???????
     
  11. santanzchild

    santanzchild Light Load Member

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    Such a scam it took 16 months for them to pull it off?
     
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