impedance matching Transformers for audio

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  1. mike5511

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    Well if you get this figured out, please post the info. I picked up a couple of old Shure mics somewhere that I need to add transformers too. :D
     
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  3. Ridgeline

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    Why do you all need to add transformers?
     
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  4. rabbiporkchop

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    Yours requires a different transformer
    @175 ohms
     
  5. rabbiporkchop

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    Maximum efficiency only occurs when you eliminate the mismatch.
    Assuming fidelidy as well
     
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  6. handlebar

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    Rabbi, would you be able to get away with a 1- or 2-stage transistor preamp? (I don't know whether you're trying to raise or lower the impedance of the mic element.) Two of my D104 mics have the preamp in the base (can't remember the assembly model #; TUG-9 maybe?) so I can use the ceramic elements to feed newer -- at least slightly newer -- solid state rigs like my aging Icom IC-730, which requires a preamped mic anyway.

    The EV Banana Mic directly feeds my EFJ Viking I to good effect, and my unamped D104 feeds the Amplidyne Labs 621 with 261 VFO in my avatar pic (the American Microphone Co. sitting alongside the VFO was just for show. The whole setup is nearly as old as I am, and regrettably works better than I do :)

    As to the original question, I regret that I know of no modern source of audio xfmrs. At the shop where I now work, we've got a couple of totes full of mics and radios we can strip for parts. What in & out do you need? I'll see what I can find if you like.

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  7. rabbiporkchop

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    I have no tool for measuring inductance.
    I need a 9 volt battery for my meter so I can't measure dc resistance at the moment, but the Telex part# is 04369 and since Telex sold Turner, they divested their supplies of those parts and the new Chinese manufacturer refuses to sell spare parts. The object is to raise the 150 ohm impedance to 600 ohms to increase the audio output level of the microphone. I have plenty of mics wired for my personal use, but I have 25 more to wire for posterity with no ideal transformer available. The transformer makes a drastic difference in output level. If you get a chance look inside a Turner RK56 and you will see the part I am referring to.
    In regards to the preamp, this is for mobile use. I like to keep things simple.
     
  8. rabbiporkchop

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    If someone could reverse engineer that transformer, I would pay a pretty penny for someone to write a tutorial on how to hand wind a replica.
     
  9. rabbiporkchop

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    This is the exact transformer. No longer in production. Black and brown wire connect directly to the microphone element which was 150 ohms to begin with, and the red and yellow wire connect to shield and audio with a .1uf capacitor in line with the audio wire to narrow frequency response. With the brown and black wire connected to the microphone element if you measure DC resistance through the red and yellow wire you will see 600 ohms but if you disconnect the brown and black wire from the element the DC resistance measured across the yellow and red wire is much less.
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  10. TheDude1969

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    In all seriousness with this response (I was J/K before), I'd call a local college with a decent electronics program. <--They love outside projects rather than ordinary classroom lab time!
    And the cost is nothing compared to a professional electronic engineer lab. You might be out $10's of dollars in a donation to their program, and they may even be able to give you an exact replacement item#.

    Wish you luck!
     
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