16 Hour Exemption and Coercion

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by moloko, May 1, 2016.

  1. otherhalftw

    otherhalftw R.I.P.

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    From my understanding of the new coercion regulation...it is almost identical with an OSHA safety complaint. The burden of proof will be on the complainant...you will need a snap shot of the "threat" {if dispatched and/or messaged through computer like QuallComm} (either do it or lose your job, or, after not doing it, your hours and pay suffers), a recording of the conversation with dates and times visible, and if possible witnesses to the action from the dispatcher. Your complaint won't fly based on your word against his...not in a legal proceeding.
     
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  3. Jonrulerofearth

    Jonrulerofearth Light Load Member

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    Sounds like a #### organization to work for. Why are you even there?
    Good luck
     
  4. Dave_in_AZ

    Dave_in_AZ Road Train Member

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    They have a construction exemption where you are allowed to be on duty, including driving for 16 hours for one day during your 70 hour week. I'm not sure how it works, but the Union said yes it does exist. We regularly drove in the neighborhood of 14 or 15 hours a day when I drove the mixer. It was electronically tracked too. No one ever went over 70. It wasn't all driving, but many, many times I'd been on duty 12,13,14 hours then drove back to the plant. 100% legal.
    Safety always over ruled though. If you said you were fatigued, you could go home. They would punish you later though, send you home early for months, F/U loads.
     
  5. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    Well, you would be right to an extent my man. But our line is recorded with the dispatcher, so that's all the proof I could possibly need.

    This is a misconception though. Once you give your case to a lawyer, he or she usually takes it on a contingency. This usually never makes it to court; if a plaintiff's case has merit, the defendant will usually settle out of court even before a lawsuit is filed.

    You mentioned the 'light duty' list and this is actually illegal retaliation. Any tangible change in hours immediately after making such a complaint, would be considered an illegal act of retaliation due to the timing of the "light duty" blacklisting alone :) The employer would have to show that there was a legitimate reason for reducing the complaining employee's hours, otherwise they're well screwed. yeah, it's ridiculous, I know the law too well in this area unfortunately. I've even been called out on this a few times on trucker report.
     
  6. Accidental Trucker

    Accidental Trucker Road Train Member

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    I'm just saying, but if I had an employee that told me they were too tired on a full complement of hours, it would be very reasonable to give that employee less hours to prevent fatigue in the future.

    In court, that would sound very, very reasonable. Out of court, too.
     
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  7. x1Heavy

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    Any time a dispatcher tells you to keep going under whatever real or imaginary rules they sprout on the phone or satellite, you tell them ######### and hit the sleeper or go home for the night depending if you are local or OTR.

    I recall only two cases in which a dispatcher told me to keep going. I simply did not. It escalated really fast and I took the truck home across three states and told same to come get it. Shrugs.

    I recall using that law once or twice in extremis under a Depot Load that has to get there. But over almost 30 years it's exceeding rare. With that said, I balance my later professionalism with a wild early history of 30 plus hour days and nights non stop if not a whole week off the logbook. It was crazy and unnecessary.

    That's my position anyhow.
     
  8. upallnite

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    I am wondering who is driving this truck? The guy behind the wheel or the guy behind the desk. ###### stand up do whats right! Either stop and rest, or get off this web site and get the job done! Quit trying to figure out what is wrong or right, or what someone else would do.
     
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  9. moloko

    moloko Road Train Member

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    I think my boss had a stern talking to with this dispatcher very recently over this. I can't give many details for confidentiality reasons. I'm getting sick of having these weird arguments with people who barely know me over what I can and cannot handle. There's nothing like driving down the road while your vision is blurred and your sense of hearing is fading in and out. You know what that is? It's microsleeping. Or should I say, it is imminent death and negligent homicide creeping up behind you. I almost killed someone on Hwy 12 near Fairfield, CA, when I first began my career. I was falling asleep and started crossing the center divider. What woke me up, was the sound of the flags on the median scraping against ,and mutilating, my step. When i got to my destination, the step to my drivers side was completely taken off. That's never gonna happen again.
     
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