30 minute break does not stop 14 hour clock...

pattyj · Jul 3, 2016

Pumpkin Oval Head said: ↑

It is my understanding that nothing stops the 14 hour clock from the time you come on duty.

I just started driving a day cab hauling frozen food to grocery stores and average 3 stops and 250 to 300 miles a day. I do not usually run up against the the 14 hour limit, but Friday had three 2 hour delays, for a long day and hit 14 hours, and went over by two hours. Being new to this job and the area, I got stuck in philly traffic on a holiday Friday afternoon. Won't do that again.

I had an extra stop for a live load that I could have skipped to get back home in under 14 hrs. My live load was delayed by 1.5 hours while they picked the stuff for the 20 pallets....which they were supposed to have done 8 hours earlier, but they were slammed too. I had called into my dispatch to make sure the back haul warehouse would be open, but I had no idea to ask about if the pallets were loaded yet...next time I will!

this is the first time I have had to deal with this issue, and so I went a few hours over. In the future I will not allow this to occur, as I will call dispatch and tell them to either skip the back haul or put me in a hotel.

I will be talking with my scheduler to bring him up to speed on how the 14 hour rule works. I think he is not aware of any hos rules, as all he does is schedule loads for 60 drivers which is a big job by itself. The gm is a former driver, so he knows the rules, but he didn't return my calls..... I think the scheduler checks with the gm anytime there is an issue called in.

Just wanting to make sure I understand the rule correctly. I have read the rule from other posters as I did a search on it, and this seems to be the consensus.
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You learn as you go and some things you learn the hard way.I would study the HOS because as a truck driver you should know them before driving truck.

Bean Jr. · Jul 3, 2016

Dakota1358 said: ↑

Example you do a 15 minute pretrip drive 5 hrs and unload for 30 min if you immediately go to sleeper for 8hrs you had 5.75 hrs of on duty time so you have 8.25 on your 14 hr clock after the 8hr sleeper you will still have the 8.25hr left for your 14.
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I don't believe that is accurate. You need 10 hours off. If you take 2 hours in the sleeper, then continue to work until 14 hours, the 2 hours count towards your 14 and towards your 10, meaning you would only need 8 additional hours. Still, all driving time after the 2 would combine with drive time after 8 against your 11.

Dakota1358 · Jul 3, 2016

Bean Jr. said: ↑

I don't believe that is accurate. You need 10 hours off. If you take 2 hours in the sleeper, then continue to work until 14 hours, the 2 hours count towards your 14 and towards your 10, meaning you would only need 8 additional hours. Still, all driving time after the 2 would combine with drive time after 8 against your 11.
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Yes thats where things get a little more involved. If you start your day you start the 14 hr clock. If you drive 5 then you're down to 9 on your 14. If you then take your 8 hr sleeper you stop the 14 hr clock but when you start again you only have 9 hrs total on your 14 and 6 hrs of drive time.If you drive 5 more hrs you are down to 1 hr driving left and 4 left on your 14 hr clock.Now you take a 2 hr sleeper or off duty which resets the hrs as a split 10hr break.You would gain back the 5 from before the 8hr break giving you 6 hrs of drive time but because of the 2 not stopping the 14hr break you would have 7 hrs left on the 14 hr clock.Then you would need an 8hr break to stop the 14hr clock or a straight 10 hr break to reset your 14.

Bean Jr. · Jul 3, 2016

Dakota1358 said: ↑

Yes thats where things get a little more involved. If you start your day you start the 14 hr clock. If you drive 5 then you're down to 9 on your 14. If you then take your 8 hr sleeper you stop the 14 hr clock but when you start again you only have 9 hrs total on your 14 and 6 hrs of drive time.If you drive 5 more hrs you are down to 1 hr driving left and 4 left on your 14 hr clock.Now you take a 2 hr sleeper or off duty which resets the hrs as a split 10hr break.You would gain back the 5 from before the 8hr break giving you 6 hrs of drive time but because of the 2 not stopping the 14hr break you would have 7 hrs left on the 14 hr clock.Then you would need an 8hr break to stop the 14hr clock or a straight 10 hr break to reset your 14.
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No, the 8 hours counts against your 14. The only thing that resets it is 10 hour, which can be taken in a separate block of 8 hours and another sleeper of 2 hours.

The split sleeper is confusing, but 10/14 isn't really. Without 10 hours off, the 14 hour clock does not stop.

TROOPER to TRUCKER · Jul 3, 2016

OTR has to take the 30 after 8 hours. I could never log in earlier.

spyder7723 · Jul 3, 2016

Bean Jr. said: ↑

No, the 8 hours counts against your 14. The only thing that resets it is 10 hour, which can be taken in a separate block of 8 hours and another sleeper of 2 hours.

The split sleeper is confusing, but 10/14 isn't really. Without 10 hours off, the 14 hour clock does not stop.
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Ugh no. An 8 hour sleeper berth break pauses the 14. I utilize it quite often. Read the reg.

ZVar · Jul 3, 2016

Dave_in_AZ said: ↑

Not if your doing local for a company that runs OTR on a 70/8. The local you describe is a 70/7 week. You can't mix and match, you get one choice per MC number 70/8 or 70/7.
What you describe is exactly how CEMEX operates in a 70/7 format.
The mega's that run day cab's for local are still under the same rules as OTR. 11/14, 70/8. 34 restart.
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Umm No Dave.
As for to 70/7 or 60/7 is per driver and per what the company (likely Terminal Manager) says. Here's the regs.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.3?guidance

Question 1: May a motor carrier switch from a 60-hour/7-day limit to a 70-hour/8-day limit or vice versa?

Guidance:

Yes. The only restriction regarding the use of the 70-hour/8-day rule is that the motor carrier must have Commercial Motor Vehicle CMVs operating every day of the week. The 70-hour/8-day rule is a permissive provision in that a motor carrier with vehicles operating every day of the week is not required to use the 70-hour/8-day rules for calculating its drivers’ hours of service. The motor carrier may, however, assign some or all of its drivers to operate under the 70-hour/8-day rule if it so chooses. The assignment of individual drivers to the 60-hour/7-day or the 70-hour/8-day time rule is left to the discretion of the motor carrier.
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And the short haul exemption is at https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.1 which is as described and must meet the following criteria, and nothing in the regs states in can't be used by a company also doing OTR, as it's driver specific.

(o) Property-carrying driver. A property-carrying driver is exempt from the requirements of §395.3(a)(2) if:

(1) The driver has returned to the driver's normal work reporting location and the carrier released the driver from duty at that location for the previous five duty tours the driver has worked;

(2) The driver has returned to the normal work reporting location and the carrier releases the driver from duty within 16 hours after coming on duty following 10 consecutive hours off duty; and

(3) The driver has not taken this exemption within the previous 6 consecutive days, except when the driver has begun a new 7- or 8-consecutive day period with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours as allowed by §395.3(c).
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-Steven

Dave_in_AZ · Jul 4, 2016

ZVar said: ↑

Umm No Dave.
As for to 70/7 or 60/7 is per driver and per what the company (likely Terminal Manager) says. Here's the regs.
https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.3?guidance

And the short haul exemption is at https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/395.1 which is as described and must meet the following criteria, and nothing in the regs states in can't be used by a company also doing OTR, as it's driver specific.

-Steven
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Go drink more bong water. Terminal manager lol? It's one choice per carrier MC number. Done local under both scenarios. Right now I day cab for a mega, and that's why we have no exemption, because the use the 70/8. I drove for CEMEX for 3 years its 70/7, there we had the exemption as that is there standard log condition nationwide, they have 1 MC number. It's a national standard for these companies, a terminal in Ohio doesn't get to operate different than one in Texas. The reg asks can it switch, not can it do both, it's one or the other. It's not were switching back and forth as needed for a given week.

ZVar · Jul 4, 2016

Dave, do you really not know how to read or are you so tunnel visioned that you simply cannot? To quote again... "The motor carrier may, however, assign some or all of its drivers to operate under the 70-hour/8-day rule if it so chooses." note the bold. You are correct I do not know who in the company says which driver uses which clock, but it is very obvious someone in the company can make the determination on a per driver basis.

-Steven

Pumpkin Oval Head · Jul 4, 2016

pattyj said: ↑

You learn as you go and some things you learn the hard way.I would study the HOS because as a truck driver you should know them before driving truck.
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I went through cdl school in 2010, after I retired, and only drive part time off and on....depending on what is available. In rural TN I could either drive for a guy that would not even give me a 1099 form, or drive a school bus. I chose the school bus.

Lots more options in pa. For part time. But I turn down night shift and pm shift. Only work on Friday and Monday's day shift. Get about 300 miles a day, plus stop pay. The company pays my union dues for me since I am part time.

And at .47 cpm I am pretty happy with my pay, since I have only driven truck for 50,000 miles in the past 6 years.

I do read this forum a lot to learn the hos issues. I would rather not read the regs directly, unless there is a link or the rule is posted. I don't care to read government regs, as I have sleep apnea and they put me to sleep pretty quick.

My first day on the job I got stopped at a SD Port of Entry. I had to ask the dot cop what a port of entry is......when he said weigh station, I could not believe I had missed it. It was in a construction zone and I was distracted by all the other signage. I am not the first one to do that, and I won't be the last.

Also, I did not have my log book up to date for the prior seven days, as I had been in school and off duty the prior week.

That was an opportunity for learning for me....and the dot did not fine me for either error. I won't ever repeat those two mistakes.

The other day I was on the garden state parkway, and I soon learned trucks are not permitted. I went by a couple of police cars, but no one came after me. I have now switched from a car gps to a truck gps, so those kinds of things won't happen. I just started driving in jersey a few weeks ago, and have now learned the key interstates and us highways, and truck routes to follow, so things should get smoother for me.

But overall I am a pretty good driver, and have always gotten hired when I applied for a driving job, with just one exception. I was asked to complete a daily log sheet on a multi stop driving scenario. It was a rather complex story problem and I messed up the log sheet pretty good, with no second sheet available to clean it up. I should have done it on scratch paper first and then copied it over. It is a lot easier to log as you go than to follow a story problem to get your sheet completed.

Most of my driving is pretty simple, from point a to b to c, in jersey, and then back home to Scranton.

I am good at backing, and the tight spots are easy with a day cab. The other day I backed into a spot with a guardrail on the side and got the trailer to within one inch of the rail, so their deck plate would fit into the trailer, as there was a pole on the other side of the outdoor dock that the deck plate had to clear.

I have never driven otr and never will, as my health would not allow. I can only get a one year medical card. I had my sleep Doctor delay me getting my medical card renewed for 6 months last year, and I was about ready to give up my license. But I hung in there and have passed two dot physicals in the past six months. I am 63 and would like to drive for a few more years.

Nor would my spouse allow me to do otr.

I do enjoy driving and like backing. I don't have to do it, but it is something I like to do.

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