Dumping while Not Level

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  1. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    There are times where we MUST dump even though the rig is not sitting level. We have been hauling sand into a concrete plant where there is no level ground. While our dispatcher and boss repeatedly state don't dump if it's not safe/level to do so. Well several drivers complained about this site, but the dispatcher's reply was get it dumped anyway. They talk out of both sides, if you know what I mean. :mad:
    These pics don't really show how uneven or not level the rig is. If you notice the lift axle, you see that one side is touching the ground while the other is not. The lift axle is raised too. Managed to get the load dumped. Sometimes you need to adopted the thought, if it goes down it goes down.o_O:eek:
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  3. 6wheeler

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    If you look at truck accidents on YouTube, you'll see many dump trailers tipping over, and snapping in half.
     
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  4. Eaton18

    Eaton18 Road Train Member

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    Yep seen them. This past year we've had 3 trailers go down. One of them by a very experienced driver, one was blown over. The driver was dumping during a thunderstorm and a 50+mph wind gust caught it, and one by a newbie driver.
    We don't get that concerned about them going down. It seems that the owner/boss doesn't care, as he gets to collect insurance. Must be nice to have that kinda $$$$ .
     
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    Yea every day is a learning experience with trucking. I had 4 bundles of 2X4 break 4 cargo straps and fall out into the road that was tight, going 40 mph around a 45 mph curve on the interstate.
     
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    Hi Eaton18, well, IDK, I've dumped in a lot worse situations than that. I'd leave the axle down, seems to stabilize the trailer somewhat, if you're that worried about it, and sand falls out pretty easily. It's mud and frozen salt that I've had trouble with. I've already looked around for wood to run the trailer tires on, or make a little "ramp" with the sand to level it out a little. I know, batch plants aren't usually in the best places, but that doesn't look bad at all. Dump it nice and slow, and watch the ram. If it starts to lean STOP ,although some old-timers claimed, letting it down could be just as bad, and they would continue to dump it out, but I always let it down. In 35 years, ( not all dump truck) I never had one go over.
     
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  7. Eaton18

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    Yep, like I said the pics don't really reflect how it was. The tractor is sitting on an up-slope, tilted to the right. The ground is full of large bumps, ruts caused by the loaders. While raising the bed it continued to lean to the right. As far as leaving the lift axle down while dumping, nope, not happening. That tends to blow airbags. I'm not new to this, been at it for just shy of 5yrs now. Just posting things like this for the "new" drivers have an idea what the real world is like. We all state the obvious safety things, but sometimes the real world dictates otherwise. Don't have to tell you about that though. Congrats on a long uneventful career.
     
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    That is dangerous.Its like what's dispatch thinken but then again it's not them dumping so ya of course they could care less.Side dump would tip easy if not on level ground and at an angle depending on the pile where you're dumping.
     
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    Hmm, never heard of "air bags blowing ", but I never had an air ride dump, and the only axle with air ride was the 3rd tag axle (required in Wis) which I'd leave down, and it did help a little. I never said it was an "uneventful" career, just never tipped one over. I'd say half of my career was dump truck, and while there are things I liked about dump truck, there were just as many bad experiences. Like I say, these loader schmoes are like dogs. They try and get away with as much ( or little) as they can, but if you stand your ground, they usually give in. It's just the same old thing, they think all truck drivers are morons, and we think the same about them.
     
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    Really? I don't know, and it seems they would be much more stable. It just appears by the way they're constructed the bed couldn't lay over much more than what they are while dumping. I guess they would also tend to take the tractor over with them. With these frame-less end-dumps, they break loose, leaving the tractor standing, most of the time. It is possible to have things really go bad, and have the ram break loose from the tractor, not the trailer, and get shoved through the cab, or just have the trailer come down on top of the tractor. The latter would happen if the hydraulic hose broke while the trailer was standing up. That's scary stuff. I've had 3 hoses break or crack. Luckily it's been before the bed got to the 2nd stage.
     
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    Side dumps are not any more stable then your trailer.There's been many that has tipped at the site and some because they forgot to remove the tarp before dumping.Side dumps you can't dump directly on the pile you have to be a few feet from the material and at an angle.Otherwise risk tipping over or getting stuck.
     
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