I hold the record...

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by TakinItEasy, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. diesel drinker

    diesel drinker Road Train Member

    1,157
    1,235
    Apr 10, 2015
    0
    So let me ask you now,how many pounds is a hole in your trailer???
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. TakinItEasy

    TakinItEasy Medium Load Member

    360
    291
    Dec 27, 2012
    OKC, OK
    0
    Correct me if I'm wrong please. But when I moved it one hole it displaced 180lbs but I gained 20lbs on gross weight when i moved it. So that's confusing me.does the gross matter.
     
  4. magoo68

    magoo68 Road Train Member

    3,393
    5,385
    Jun 11, 2011
    st malo mb canada
    0
    Methinks somebody had brakes applied while scaling otherwise it should be a simple slide of the tandems
     
  5. pattyj

    pattyj Road Train Member

    22,474
    20,137
    Jul 19, 2008
    Sioux City,ia
    0
    By the time all said and done how long did it take to finally get it legal? In Idaho I had a load I could not for the life of me get it legal I finally asked another driver for help still couldn't get it legal took over two long hrs.I finally went back to shipper which was only a block away,showed him all my scale tickets,come to find out he was new and loaded everything at the nose of trailer.He called his supervisor at home and she came and reloaded my trailer.By the time it was done I was out of hours and stayed at the truck stop.
     
    TakinItEasy Thanks this.
  6. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

    34,016
    42,144
    Mar 5, 2016
    White County, Arkansas
    0
    Well...

    That shows me there is a flaw in training. It seems no one told you how much weight those notches can move.

    I did not say this to insult you, Ive reweighed a few times myself to be assured that IS the weight.

    In the trailers Ive run, notches on the sliding rails move 250/500/750 per hole towards the drives to add weight to the ### end or towards the rear of trailer to load the drives up. Your 5th wheel rails probably slid 500 one way or the other. But generally the kingpin needs to rest just foward of your bogie drive aft above the interlock shaft.

    Worst case scenario is literally move freight to nose or tail until weight settles properly. Or return to shipper and reload or remove a few pallets. Or burn half your fuel with intentional poor shifting before you reach a nazi scale house. Or... or ... or...

    I keep pounding the table on this you stupid companies that try to spend money on APU but refuse to put load cells on the #### axles to weight the trucks in real time.
     
  7. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

    3,234
    11,403
    Dec 11, 2010
    West Monroe, La
    0
    The reason it gained 20 lb on your gross weight is:
    It didnt. The scales float, therefore even a wind or you moving around in/on the truck will create movement & could weigh different every time..
    The company I work for recycles plastic. The industry buys & sells scrap & recycled plastic by the weight. To ensure (somewhat) accurate weight for the buyer & seller, we have to get both empty & full weights. I will sometimes get 2 or 3 empty weights at a time so I will have a spare empty weight on hand, so I dont have to go to the scales every time for empty weights.
    There are times I can get 3 empty weights & all be different somehow. CAT scales weigh in 20 lb increments.

    I'll take that advice & give you more. If you find yourself over axle a couple hundred pounds but not over gross, I could almost guarantee you wont be bothered at the scale houses.
    Why?
    A couple of reasons. One because of the above post, even wind can affect the weight. Being over a bit could be questioned by you or the scale master. Too many factors involved & its not an exact science.
    Secondly, its just like speeding, they will always give you a little room to play with. If the police stopped everyone who was 5 mph over the limit, the shoulders would be packed with police writing tickets. If the scales brought everyone in who was 200 lb over axle, the scales would be packed with trucks getting tickets. There is leeway.
    Dont burden yourself over 20 lbs or 200 lbs. Especially when you're under gross. Try to get legal, but its not always possible especially when the shipper tries to load you close to max... or when the wind is blowing etc.

    I agree that 250 lb per hole is usually the norm.
    I agree that some trailers have longer spacing between holes, (I think 6") & those are about 400 lb per hole I think.
    I agree that moving the fifth wheel has no affect on trailer weight.
    I agree that if you'r going to be over on an axle, make it the drive axles.

    It hasn't been discussed but the way I figure how many holes to move is:
    36240 - 31480 = 4760 (subtract your light axle from your heavy axle)
    4760 divided by 2 = 2380 (because your equalizing/dividing the weight of 2 sets of axles)
    2380 divided by 250 = 9.52 (because each hole is 250 lb)
    I would have moved/slid the axles toward the back of the trailer 10 holes. Because you always move the axles toward the heaviest point. If you're heavy in the rear, move the axles to the rear. That moves the weight to the front. Why 10 holes instead of 9? Personally, I always like my extra weight on the drives as a rule. But as mentioned above, as you burn fuel, the extra weight comes off your drives.
    In the above scenario, your steers were fine, no reason to move the steers (fifth wheel).
    After I have moved the axles according to the above, I can re-weight & adjust if needed. You should be good on the second weight.... third at most.

    Another important issue I learned after many headaches. DO NOT set your trailer brakes on the scales. There are a few threads here on why.

    Hope this helps. Good luck........
     
  8. TROOPER to TRUCKER

    TROOPER to TRUCKER Anything Is Possible

    7,679
    12,757
    Dec 15, 2014
    Charlotte, NC
    0
    Well at least th OP took the time to get it right.
     
    MACK E-6 and Lepton1 Thank this.
  9. jethro712

    jethro712 Medium Load Member

    604
    6,035
    Aug 31, 2014
    0
    very helpful post, thanks. i am a greenhorn with ?. when adjusting weight, and you are over the bridge law limit for kingpin to trl tandem length, how hard is dot concerning that? thanks
     
  10. TakinItEasy

    TakinItEasy Medium Load Member

    360
    291
    Dec 27, 2012
    OKC, OK
    0
    Took I'de say an hour. Was wee hours of the morning no trucks around to keep me from doing Laps onto the scale. my fear was having to get load reworked because it has happened to me already this week. Thanks for everyone's input. I never set my brakes on scale because on the sign it says not too. Apparently I can read but not count holes lol.
     
    pattyj Thanks this.
  11. stayinback

    stayinback Road Train Member

    3,911
    8,257
    Jan 24, 2014
    chicago,il
    0
    And I Feel Bad for you....That's a Ton of wasted time that you probably are not compensated for.....

    Typical, Load ya to the max and "You deal with it" shipper.

    I mostly Blame these carriers for Not compensating for these extra intangibles that occur......Inevitably.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.