2 weak cylinders?

Discussion in 'Trucks [ Eighteen Wheelers ]' started by Chevyho, Sep 22, 2016.

  1. Chevyho

    Chevyho Medium Load Member

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    OK, little update. The cat dealer found #1 injector was failing. Now I have not driven the truck yet to see if its any better, however they also ran an actuator test and 4 of the 6 are doing nothing. I had them trying to fix this problem last year, they changed solonoids, and even put on all new complete housings making no difference. They tried new iva pressure sensor, checked pressure at iva rail, new oil check valve, and even flashed a new ecm to try. Nothing made the injectors work. They are completely stumped. Any ideas what would cause this? Should I just put a tune in it to delete the iva since only 2 are working anyways and maybe get the engine running smooth again?
     
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  3. GrapeApe

    GrapeApe Road Train Member

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    With everything they changed, the only thing I can think of left is that they are out of adjustment or possibly something went through the oil system and plugged them up. That is if they did all the work correctly, it sounds to me like they're just throwing parts at it.

    We're not allowed to talk about emissions deletes, but let me warn you on your engine. You have too much compression to not have the IVA's working. Deleting IVA's requires very careful tuning to avoid blowing a head gasket unless you lower the compression. I do not recommend a delete, it may last a while if your easy on it, but you're asking for trouble eventually. You should find a better shop, I think they are overlooking something.
     
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    The cat shop was actually very good about everything, all parts they put on that made no difference they took off after. They made a t fitting to check pressure at iva rail and said it was good so cant imagine oil being plugged. Overhead was set twice with no difference. They are stumped, why does it seem like my trucks are always the ones with these never before seen issues. While running the actuator test each one tries to work then its like it just completely shuts off.
     
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    The only reason id even consider deleting them is because 4 of the 6 arent working anyways. People tried forever to de activate the iva without throwing a code and i cant get mine to work or throw a code lol.
     
  6. GrapeApe

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    The rail pressure would be OK if something was plugged in the IVA housings themselves. I would run another IVA test with the valve covers off and look for any oil leaks in the top-end. Look close for foaming oil too, aerated oil might be a possibility as well. At this point, it may be time to pull them off and disassemble them on a clean bench and make sure every passage is clear.
     
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    Chevyho Medium Load Member

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    A reman housing was put on and didnt change, so they tried another reman to make sure it wasnt a faulty unit out of the box. Work order also says inspected for oil leaks and none found.
     
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    My trucks seemed to run better as a 475 hp then when it was uprated to 550. Should I go back to an old flash file? Do you know if some files were supposed to be better then others?
     
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    Well got the truck back, with a new injector on #1. I would say ran noticably better, when I got I hooked up to the ecm and saw that the FLS was -9 and FTS was 8. The sticker on the side of engine shows FLS -8 and FTS -14. I called the cat dealer and said the ecm numbers should match the sticker regardless of what hp rating it is set at. Now I know someone messed with this ecm cuz it had a 625 tune at one point they prob fudged with those numbers at the same time. I have the 550 heavy haul tune in should those numbers be set back to what the sticker says? Possible having them wrong is causing rougher running?
     
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    Should note I have never been able to pull more then 40 psi boost empty and was able to produce 50 psi empty after picking it up. :)
     
  11. GrapeApe

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    The FLS/FTS numbers are more of a fine tune. I have never seen them cause any rough running/miss type issues. I do not have much experience playing with those #'s, other than correcting them. I'd check with Cat and see what numbers go with the serial # and flash file in your engine. The way I understand it, 0/0 is no correction, that's where Cat starts, if they're building a 475 HP engine, there's so many little tolerances that can affect HP, it may only be dyno at 470 and they adjust the FLS/FTS #'s to get the rated HP. When you build 1000's of engines, they are not all 100% exactly the same. Similar to injector trim codes.

    I have re-rated engines and cat gave me new #'s based of the serial # and flash file, so you're #'s may be correct based on the re-rate to 550 HP. On the same note, I have also re-rated engines where the #'s did not change. Might depend on how far you go, I don't want to speculate, I just don't have the experience to give you a good answer on that.
     
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