CSA

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Philly Trucks, Oct 6, 2016.

  1. Philly Trucks

    Philly Trucks Bobtail Member

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    If the police aren't called but the insurance company has bin contacted after an accident does it still go on your CSA report? And how long does it stay on your record?
     
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  3. TROOPER to TRUCKER

    TROOPER to TRUCKER Anything Is Possible

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    If the company is aware they will put it on your DAC

    @Observer1 can help he is a DOT officer
     
  4. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    If the accident was not an accident as defined by 390.5 and no police report was made no CSA points will be given. Insurance reports or general tickets issued will not make it to the FMSCA CSA database. Hand stop worrying about CSA. Only a MCSAP/CVSA/DOT officer filling out an inspection report causes this. Sometimes STATES crash data is sent to the FMCSA and they will add it to CSA.
     
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  5. KMac

    KMac Road Train Member

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    CSA (and by extension PSP) only apply if an inspection report is filled out or it is a DOT Reportable accident.
     
  6. Observer1

    Observer1 Light Load Member

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    I never deal with CSA directly. As an officer I don't know what does or does not get reported. I would have to consult with others that are more familiar with that end of things.
     
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  7. Jubal3

    Jubal3 Heavy Load Member

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    I have exactly one CSA entry. It wwas for an inspection where the DOT officer put me OOS and gave me a WARNING after I requested a citation, due to some clerk in WA not processing my new DOT Physical. Showed him the old and the new cards, pointed out that the new was Well in advance of the old expiring.

    As a result I have 30 CSA points for driving without a valid CDL, even though I did nothing wrong. And because it was a warning, I can't take it to a judge.

    Haven't had a moving violation in over 20 years. No accidents, no nothing. But I have 30 CSA points. Because one 21 year-old jerk decided he wanted to screw someeone.
     
  8. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    I just now noticed this. This is a yes and no situation. A DOT Reportable Accident is a bit of a misnomer. The FMCSA has only one definition for an accident and that can be found here. What a carrier has to do in the case of an accident is record said accident in their carrier accident register. If the accident is not considered an accident by the FMCSA the carrier has no recording requirements and is free to list accident as an incident.
     
  9. KMac

    KMac Road Train Member

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    A DOT reportable accident is so because it meets the FMCSA definition of an accident. Anything else is not reportable. You just reiterated what I said. So I don't know what you're referring to as a yes or no situation.
     
  10. Moose1958

    Moose1958 Road Train Member

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    FMCSA accident data does not by in itself get reported to the FMCSA CSA. That was my point. Only if a MCSAP/CVSA/DOT officer issues an inspection report along with the accident. The carrier does not report the accident to the FMCSA, all they do is add it to their accident register. If a non MCSAP/CVSA/DOT cop is the investigating officer nothing will be reported to the FMCSA. The only exception is if the state submits their crash data later. <<That happens very little.

    Edited to add the correct term is DOT Recordable accident. This is because the carrier has to record the accident.
     
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  11. MACK E-6

    MACK E-6 Moderator Staff Member

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    Situations such as this beg the question of how many of these "points" can one accrue before being considered uninsurable, and thus unemployable.
     
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