E-logs for hotshots

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  1. double h farms

    double h farms Bobtail Member

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  3. double h farms

    double h farms Bobtail Member

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    If you are suppose to run e logs then what about using your truck on your days off?
     
  4. Ryan S2016

    Ryan S2016 Medium Load Member

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    According to the update I got from the monthly Transportation & Compliance newsletter I get from J.J. Keller drivers who maintain less than 100 air miles ( 115.8 statute miles ) from their home office are exempt as well. Just FYI
     
  5. Grumppy

    Grumppy Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Its quite apparent from a couple of posts here that have quoted the regs, I am wrong in what I thought was one exemption.
    I had the understanding that a company that only owned & or operated ONLY ONE CMV was exempt from using E-Logs. Hummmm. again, its quite apparent I was misinformed or didn't understand correctly. Anyone want to add to this?
     
  6. Midwest1

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    I was talking with another driver yesterday and he also thought that one truck companies were exempt. Maybe someone can clarify this.
     
    Grumppy Thanks this.
  7. Roadmedic

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    FMCSA 390.5

    Driveaway-towaway operation means an operation in which an empty or unladen motor vehicle with one or more sets of wheels on the surface of the roadway is being transported:

    (1) Between vehicle manufacturer's facilities;
    (2) Between a vehicle manufacturer and a dealership or purchaser;
    (3) Between a dealership, or other entity selling or leasing the vehicle, and a purchaser or lessee;
    (4) To a motor carrier's terminal or repair facility for the repair of disabling damage (as defined in § 390.5) following a crash; or
    (5) To a motor carrier's terminal or repair facility for repairs associated with the failure of a vehicle component or system; or
    (6) By means of a saddle-mount or tow-bar.

    (note the restriction, "with one or more sets of wheels on the surface of the roadway" will eliminate any means of transport where no wheels of the cargo touch the roadway)

    FMCSA guidelines
    https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/title49/section/390.5


    Question 22: Is a motor vehicle drawing a non-self-propelled mobile home that has one or more set of wheels on the roadway, a driveaway-towaway operation?

    Guidance: Yes, if the mobile home is a commodity. For example, the mobile home is transported from the manufacturer to the dealer or from the dealer or other seller to the buyer.

    Question 23: Can a truck tractor drawing a trailer be a driveaway-towaway operation?

    Guidance: Yes, if the trailer is a commodity. For example, the trailer is transported from the manufacturer to the dealer or from the dealer or other seller to the buyer.

    FMCSA Exemption

    https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/faq/what-exceptions-are-allowed-electronic-logging-device-rule

    Drivers who conduct drive-away-tow-away operations, where the vehicle being driven is the commodity being delivered.
     
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  8. HP9K

    HP9K Light Load Member

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    I have the Rand McNalley TND760 in my GMC3500. I haven't used this option personally, but there is an option to log in for "personal conveyance". A couple of our drivers have used it when they are out on the road and sitting over the weekend and want to drop the trailer and run into town for shopping or a meal. It keeps you off duty and lets you finish up any break you are on. I was told that if we use this option, we are supposed to cover our DOT numbers on the doors of the truck.

    In addition, I have noticed if while I am at home one of our mechanics does some work on my truck and drives it without logging in themselves, when I get back to the truck and log in, I get a message that says something to the effect of "this truck was driven for XXX miles on mm/dd/yyyy. Did you drive the truck?" I just click "no" and go about my business. That driving just seems to disappear somewhere and never shows up on my logs.
     
  9. Midwest1

    Midwest1 Medium Load Member

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    I won't be going to elogs until the very end of this year.

    Does anyone have any other recommendations on which ones there running?
     
  10. Ryan S2016

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    I was gonna wait until later this year but after talking to Mike at JJ Keller I got the 2016 price locked in because now it's gone up. His point for me and I kind of agree is if I wait until the last minute and I run into any technical problems there may not be ample time to resolve them since they will be dealing with everyone else who waited to the last minute. Makes sense to me and since I saved around $150 by locking in 2016 and getting invoiced for it in Feb 2017. I am getting their Samsung Galaxy S-2 compliance tablet as well because I am not crazy about putting this info that can be viewed by DOT on my personal iPad rather have a dedicated tablet that I don't have to use any data and other issues with using my personal tablet. Of course this is by my choice. Lot of guys here don't like JJ Keller and may think it's a waste but I have never had an issue with them and having the option of Net 60 to pay is an added bonus. Good Luck in your search.
     
  11. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    No you do not cover up your DOT numbers... another "at the counter" person?????

    Basically when you enter the "Personal Conveyance" mode the area of location is now broadened.

    How does the electronic logging device reflect personal conveyance when the personal conveyance status is selected and the commercial motor vehicle (CMV) is driven?

    All miles driven are recorded, regardless of the status the driver has selected. However, when the personal conveyance status is selected (as allowed and configured by the motor carrier), the CMV’s location is recorded with a lower level of precision (i.e., an approximate 10-mile radius). Personal conveyance will be reflected on the ELD using a different style line (such as dashed or dotted line).

    If a driver is permitted to use a Commercial Motor Vehicle (CMV) for personal reasons, how must the driving time be recorded?

    The driver must identify the driving time as personal conveyance on the device.

    How does "personal use" of a commercial motor vehicle need to be recorded?
    If a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) driver uses a CMV for personal conveyance, the time may be recorded as "off duty" if certain conditions are met. If a driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work, time spent traveling from the driver's home to his/her terminal (normal work reporting location), or from the driver's terminal to his/her home, may be considered off-duty time. Similarly, time spent traveling short distances from a driver's en-route lodgings (such as terminals or motels) to restaurants in the vicinity of such lodgings may be considered off-duty time. Drivers may not, however, operate a laden CMV as a personal conveyance. Also, a driver placed out of service for violating the hours-of-service regulations may not drive a CMV to any location to obtain rest.
     
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