Pilots and Wrong way turns

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  1. CharlieK

    CharlieK Medium Load Member

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    Just curious about this...

    When your doing a wrong way turn, or ANYTHING that requires traffic control, do you expect your pilot to stop traffic? I would assume that you do from a post that @TripleSix made a while back about wrong way turns.

    The bigger question is... when you are requesting a pilot, are you specifying that they will have to perform traffic control?

    I ask this, because I read that, at least in Minnesota, a Civilian Pilot cannot cross the centerline, and cannot perform traffic control. To perform traffic control the pilot has to be a LPA (Licensed protective Agent), and to cross the centerline, the pilot would have to be a Peace Officer. All a Civilian pilot can legally do, is provide early warning to motorists.

    So, if the pilots are indeed civilian pilots, performing traffic control, and crossing the centerline (both of which most likely are to happen in a wrong way turn, correct?) And if someone is texting and driving, and doesn't see all of the flashing lights, and plows into the stopped cars, and pushes the stopped cars into the pilot vehicle, which in turn pushes back and blows the front tire of the truck, and tips over the multi-million dollar load... who's butt is on the line?

    I'm still trying to decide if my cup is half full? Or half empty this morning!
     
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  3. Razorwyr

    Razorwyr Road Train Member

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    That's a lot of hypotheticals, but I'm going to guess that the motorist doesn't have good enough insurance to cover the cost of the damage. So unless they have a big enough bank account to cut the check themselves, probably going to be the bulk cost covered by the pilot car/trucking company and their insurance regardless of who is technically at fault.
     
  4. CharlieK

    CharlieK Medium Load Member

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    So a follow up question then... If you were to tell a pilot to stop traffic, and he refused, because as a civilian pilot, it is illegal for him to do so... what would you do?

    All of this may not matter at all, since to you have to be certified through the state of Minnesota to be a pilot here... and being certified now, may very well put you in the LPA (Licensed Protective Agent) category anyway. Don't know...

    It was just a question that crossed my mind some time ago, as I was reading the Minnesota escort requirements.
     
  5. TROOPER to TRUCKER

    TROOPER to TRUCKER Anything Is Possible

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    Legally they don't have that power.
     
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  6. TROOPER to TRUCKER

    TROOPER to TRUCKER Anything Is Possible

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    To follow up they would be impeding the flow of traffic at least here.
     
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  7. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    They can't cross the center line here either, they can however get out of the pilot car with a hand held stop sign. Now some just go right on by but then they get that oh #### moment as you come around the corner. If the car that hits the others and forces you pilot into your truck, you and your pilot are idiots. You should never be that close.
     
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  8. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    ^^^^^

    Usually, the bigger trailers will require the wrongway turns. In a metro area, you may be required to have a sworn officer as the civilian escorts are just there for public safety.
    NOW, as @cnsper alluded to, you will have pilot cars cross the center line and stick their hand held stop signs out the window. That can get you a ticket. The correct way is for the pilot car to turn around and come back towards you, stop and get out of the vehicle with hi vis vest and hand held stop sign. It works the same as the guys with the stop signs working 2 way traffic on a 1 lane road.

    Now, I'm not saying never do the centerline thing. When going through areas with skinny bridges (like US64 in Arkansas), I've had pilot cars ride the center with their stop paddles out the window. It works, and its fast. But if doing a wrongway, and there's quite a bit of traffic, do it the correct way. Don't assume that your pilot car knows how to block for a wrong way, because most wont or they're too lazy. Tell them how you want it done.
     
  9. TripleSix

    TripleSix God of Roads

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    BTW, there is a difference between riding the centerline and crossing the center.
     
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  10. CharlieK

    CharlieK Medium Load Member

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    Yeah, I know that scenario of the pilot being forced into the truck was a little over the top... or... a LOT over the top. My main thing was more about something bad happening, while the pilot is doing something, either by your orders, or request, or on his own, that is beyond his scope of authority.
     
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  11. cnsper

    cnsper Road Train Member

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    There is a difference in traffic control and controlling traffic. If they get ahead of you, turn around and stop blocking oncoming traffic, that is controlling traffic. Each state will vary on what is allowed. As for certification, I believe that you can get certified in Utah and all states except NY will recognize that.
     
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