I'm a firm believer in the market dictating price, if you have no struggle filling seats at that rate then why try and fix something that's not broken? The ethical aspect of it is not for me to have an opinion on except for the fact some people that partake in this forum may be better off heading up a non-profit, if capitalism offends their senses to such a degree...
Opening up a trucking company. Limited experience. What could go wrong?
Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by ShaftSlinger, Jan 14, 2017.
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I want to ad also that I can see why guys get in trouble in this business. I am obsessed with knowing the cost of things and the profitability of things so ive been working up the numbers for trucking.
I made up a sheet to calculate the fixed cost per mile as well as the variable cost per mile based on number of miles run per week. Now I can absolutely see how guys end up in binds. If you pull 2$ a mile freight and do 2500 miles a week, you think your doing great but the truth of the matter is, your not. You have to save loot for the tires, maintenance and truck replacement and I'm guessing most don't.
Here are the numbers ive used now after adjusting some things from this thread
Those are the fixed costs per year to keep the truck on the road. Obviously they can vary and some have room for improvement
I discovered yesterday that my truck has averaged 4.6 MPG since I bought it in October so its time to look into that and figure out what the problem is but heres the table I'm using. Currently my variable cost is .53 cents a mile plus driver @ .45 So .98c variable and then fixed
based on 125k a year fixed works out to .36 a mile so my operating cost is 1.36
Hauling 2$ freight with some DH has resulted in my average mile loaded or unloaded paying 1.53
Not a very profitable business if my costs are 1.36 and my revenue per mile is only 17 cents higher.
I'm going to have to tune some things up. Granted I'm making money on the fuel side of the game so this continues to be a good business for me but for a lot of people I can see how it isn't.fivestar Thanks this. -
I don't think there's anything unethical about paying someone 56250 a year to drive a truck. Is it a great deal for everyone, NO. but I don't think its unethical. Its a lot of hours away from home.
I'm a landlord too I own over 50 properties. I take applications all the time for people renting and I can tell you less than 10% of them make more than 4000 a month where I live. So it really doesn't seem unethical at all to me. The choices are 10-14$ an hour at a ####ty job they hate or 55k at a ####ty job they hate.
If your going to hate it anyway you might as well make money doing it.nax and Liquidforce Thank this. -
Your total op cost are $1.34, so that's your .02 cent w2/1099 difference. (And that's said in a friendly "ribbing" tone)
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That said even at 17c a mile GP (with obvious room for improvement in your own words) that's 21,250 per year pre tax, per truck. I read earlier you have bought older trucks, so I'm assuming you don't have much more than $20k into them each initially, on that basis $21k per annum is a fairly decent ROI...
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The roi is good even with the poor profit per mile and also switching to w2 is fine if that's the ultimate direction. The truck gettin 4.6 needs to go for tuneup this week!
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I have about 30k in each truck after recon and I have 26335 in each trailer.
For this to be a good experiment I want to see 60k gross profit per truck per year
I think it can get there. I still haven't decided if the 2006 or the 2013 are the way to go?!? -
So you let your 45 cpm contract drivers dictate your business? They can take time off whenever they please and cherry pick whatever loads they want?
Let's say I take you at your word on that. Can you tell me how you manage to stay in profitable lanes allowing "employees" to make such decisions?
These guys get their 45 cpm regardless what you take. They'll all want to be running Florida in the winter.
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On drives? That's easy and i plan on 400k before grooving them for another 75k. Steers? It ain't happening. 220k is the best I've managed. On my spread axle trailer? Anything over 200k is gravy.ShaftSlinger Thanks this.
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Go with bridgestone. As good as Michelin without the Michelin price tag.swaggerjacker and ShaftSlinger Thank this.
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