Illegal immigrant truck driver; What?

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  1. dca

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    I'm pretty sure farmer's go to the grocery store anyway regardless of where the items grocery stores carry came from.
     
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    Some city slickers don't see the connection between farmers and food in grocery stores.
     
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    The money , has been there the entire Obama years. We could have done this years ago.
     
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    Yeah no. America is the single largest agricultural power on planet earth. It's our single biggest advantage. When you drive through the midwestern states and it looks boring remember that you are actually looking at the best and most productive farmland on planet earth.

    If we actually stopped illegal immigration 'farm hand' would become a 75k a year job overnight and suddenly people would want to do it.

    The single biggest reason America is the richest large nation on earth is that we have absolutely incredible natural resources that are relatively easy to get at. Basically we have the best real estate on earth, which in turn means that we are basically guaranteed to remain economically powerful unless we do something REALLY dumb.
     
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    we shall have to wait see and hopefully the cost to the growers and consumer doesn't rise who wants to $20.00 dollars for watermelon
     
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    I doubt it would get that high. 8-9 bucks certainly. But I'm of the opinion that food is way too cheap and the USDA is responsible for that. We're all fat because they've made sugar and flour incredibly cheap through ag subsidies. I would REALLY like to see those subsidies go away. The market will adjust just fine. We'll probably get even more produce that way. Meat prices would increase with feed prices, but that's probably inevitable in the long run anyway.

    We all want to buy everything cheap in this country and act like there's no cost to it. If we paid farm workers in this country 75k the agricultural areas would be a lot nicer and use a lot less federal money.

    EDIT: And make no mistake that's what the jobs would pay. They are 12 hours of hard and skilled labor per day that is highly resistant to automation because it involves working with living things that are different. Also it goes without saying that American farm workers would be working with maximum equipment. There would be quite the motivation to figure out better equipment to save on labor given the cost of it. Right now the availability of cheap migrant workers makes new machines less attractive than they probably should be.
     
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    The motivation for the best and most productive' fast with out flaws, constant breakdowns' less man hrs is already there.

    some people have hard time making ends meet today, if that's the way you see it so be it. its a never ending circle in the rise of cost to live as it is.

    lets go for gusto
     
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    I mean those higher costs in grocery stores are going to end up almost entirely in the hands of farmers and their newly expensive employees. Grocery stores are such a competitive slice of retail that I really doubt they'll be able to retain much of the money.

    Those people who have a hard time making ends meet today are having a hard time because there aren't enough good jobs to go around. That's the problem, not that stuff is too expensive. I'd love to see the prices at Walmart go up 15% and have everything in the place be made in a first world country.

    EDIT: And if you're having a hard time making ends meet in an economy with a lot of good jobs... Yeah I'm not very sympathetic. My parents were those kinds of people, and they were pretty worthless human beings who caused a lot of problems for themselves and their kids. There were a few multi year periods of my childhood where looking back as an adult I'm not sure foster care would have been worse.

    We also need to stop giving people tax incentives for having kids, and birth control should be free. A high birth rate isn't even desirable with the rapidly approaching era of automation. We're not going to have as much work as we have people soon enough. I'm pro life because snuffing out a potential human life squicks me out pretty badly, but leading up to that point I'm for anything that will lead to fewer kids.
     
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